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Posted by Cam W. on November 1, 2000, at 19:43:07
I just thought I'd let everyone know that the driver that hit and killed Suzanne was charged with failing to yield to a pedestrian in a crosswalk and was fined $100.
How do I feel? Check out PB. It took 3 posts to get the correct information down. I found out about this Monday night. I had to give a presentation on Tuesday. I really can't remember what I said.
On a lighter note. I did dress up as a hippy (complete with rose colored glasses - even I noticed the irony) for the presentation. I must have looked fairly convincing because the secretary wasn't going to let me in to Mental Health Services in Sherwood Park, AB (where I gave the presentation). It took her a split-second to realize who I was. I looked down at myself and except for the wig, glasses and bandanna, the outfit was what I wear to cut the lawn. - Cam
Posted by Cindy W on November 1, 2000, at 20:18:36
In reply to Suzanne Update, posted by Cam W. on November 1, 2000, at 19:43:07
> I just thought I'd let everyone know that the driver that hit and killed Suzanne was charged with failing to yield to a pedestrian in a crosswalk and was fined $100.
>
> How do I feel? Check out PB. It took 3 posts to get the correct information down. I found out about this Monday night. I had to give a presentation on Tuesday. I really can't remember what I said.
>
> On a lighter note. I did dress up as a hippy (complete with rose colored glasses - even I noticed the irony) for the presentation. I must have looked fairly convincing because the secretary wasn't going to let me in to Mental Health Services in Sherwood Park, AB (where I gave the presentation). It took her a split-second to realize who I was. I looked down at myself and except for the wig, glasses and bandanna, the outfit was what I wear to cut the lawn. - CamCam W., I'm so sorry for your loss and sad that the driver wasn't more heavily consequated. On a lighter note, your outfit must have been something, when you did your presentation!--Cindy W
Posted by Racer on November 1, 2000, at 22:04:01
In reply to Re: Suzanne Update, posted by Cindy W on November 1, 2000, at 20:18:36
Oh, Cam, I am sorry that the system broke down that way. My warmest affection is going out to you, I hope you can feel it.
In hopes that it helps, I think the fact that it's over may help you move on, even though it's over in such a sucky way.
{{{squeeze}}}
Posted by shar on November 1, 2000, at 23:52:27
In reply to Re: Suzanne Update, posted by Racer on November 1, 2000, at 22:04:01
Cam,
I'm amazed at such an outcome. Words fail me (I feel so pissed) except that I hope it has fully absorbed into that young man's head that he took the life of a lovely, beloved young woman. He will have to live with that every day and it surely will be a powerful lesson to him.I extend my sympathies to you and your family again.
Shar
Posted by Cam W. on November 2, 2000, at 7:12:39
In reply to Suzanne Update, posted by Cam W. on November 1, 2000, at 19:43:07
Thanks for the unsolicited e-mail. I will formulate a response if my test e-mail to you actually reaches a real e-mail account.
Theobold (who I believe is someone we all know) deemed Suzanne's death to be my fault because I chose to add to global warming by taking my family on a vacation, just to "to entertain" myself. It seems that my "lethal gift to my daughter" was "at the expense of the descendants of slaves".
He (I am assuming) said also that the Suzanne's death was her fault and could have been avoided if she would have acted defensively and "cross the street as if a mistake could cost her life".
Thanks for trying to upset me, dude, but I believe I know who this is from and do consider the source. You are a sad little man, who is despartely crying out for help. It is for people like you that I continue in the medical profession, instead of moving to the BC coast and spiking trees (as you would have me do). Please get some help for your antisocial behaviors before it is too late. - Cam (off to work to addict another 16 yr. old to stimulants).
What a joke.
Posted by Greg on November 2, 2000, at 8:50:28
In reply to to Theobold Crier aka Anon, posted by Cam W. on November 2, 2000, at 7:12:39
Cam,
First let me say what a travesty I think it is that you and your wonderful family have had to endure the pain of dealing with our piss-poor judicial system. Suzanne deserved better than this. I hope you choose to push forward with the civil end of this. I think you might have better luck. Either way, you have my support if you need it.
On your "unsolicited e-mail", I wanted to share something with you. There was a recent thread here called "Reasons to live" to which I responded. The next day I rec'd an e-mail from, who I believe, the same person who wrote you. My reason for saying this is that I commented that I wanted to see London, Paris, etc, and me accused me of contributing to global warmth. A little too close for coincidence I think. I posted to the thread asking if anyone else had rec'd an e-mail from him and he again e-mailed me, this time accusing me of not having the courage to e-mail him directly. After I stopped laughing, I responded. I've rec'd 2 more since that time, both of which I've deleted without reading. I believe he used his real name in his e-mails to me.
This being said, I agree with you that these are desperate cries for help. But I feel that we are ultimately responsible for the things we say. I have chosen to ignore this individual and I hope you choose to do the same. We both know he's just not worth the effort.
My best to you and the family,
Greg> Thanks for the unsolicited e-mail. I will formulate a response if my test e-mail to you actually reaches a real e-mail account.
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> Theobold (who I believe is someone we all know) deemed Suzanne's death to be my fault because I chose to add to global warming by taking my family on a vacation, just to "to entertain" myself. It seems that my "lethal gift to my daughter" was "at the expense of the descendants of slaves".
>
> He (I am assuming) said also that the Suzanne's death was her fault and could have been avoided if she would have acted defensively and "cross the street as if a mistake could cost her life".
>
> Thanks for trying to upset me, dude, but I believe I know who this is from and do consider the source. You are a sad little man, who is despartely crying out for help. It is for people like you that I continue in the medical profession, instead of moving to the BC coast and spiking trees (as you would have me do). Please get some help for your antisocial behaviors before it is too late. - Cam (off to work to addict another 16 yr. old to stimulants).
>
> What a joke.
Posted by CarolAnn on November 2, 2000, at 9:22:44
In reply to to Theobold Crier aka Anon, posted by Cam W. on November 2, 2000, at 7:12:39
Cam and Greg,
Isn't it ironic that this "person" has the time to sit at a computer tossing accusations, when he could better use his time to actively improve or persue the means for improvement of, all the problems he accuses people of worsening? My question would be, do you think he even bothers to recycle?
Posted by shar on November 2, 2000, at 10:29:08
In reply to Re: to Theobold Crier aka Anon, posted by CarolAnn on November 2, 2000, at 9:22:44
Again, I am shocked to find that someone would do such a thing, Cam. You are a better person than I to be able to ignore his evil cruelty and narcissistic and sociopathic behavior toward your great loss.
Sorry you had to even read that BS, Cam.
Shar
Posted by noa on November 2, 2000, at 10:58:32
In reply to Crier Cries for Help-- I'm too petty to help him., posted by shar on November 2, 2000, at 10:29:08
Cam, I am glad you are able to consider the source, but I am enraged on your behalf because that was just plain cruel to send you such an email.
I had a nasty comment to add there regarding global warmth and warm air, etc. but I decided it was probably pushing the limits of civility, so I refrain from adding it.
I am sorry at the outcome of the criminal proceedings. Would it be too forward of me to ask if you have considered civil action?
Glad you took the time to dress up and have a bit of fun. And glad you have updated us.
Posted by tina on November 2, 2000, at 11:54:56
In reply to Re: Crier Cries for Help-- I'm too petty to help him., posted by noa on November 2, 2000, at 10:58:32
All I can say is "What a dipshit!" 'scuse the language but I'd have preferred to use something stronger.
Love you Cam, my best to you and yours always
Tina> Cam, I am glad you are able to consider the source, but I am enraged on your behalf because that was just plain cruel to send you such an email.
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> I had a nasty comment to add there regarding global warmth and warm air, etc. but I decided it was probably pushing the limits of civility, so I refrain from adding it.
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> I am sorry at the outcome of the criminal proceedings. Would it be too forward of me to ask if you have considered civil action?
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> Glad you took the time to dress up and have a bit of fun. And glad you have updated us.
Posted by Racer on November 2, 2000, at 13:02:56
In reply to to Theobold Crier aka Anon, posted by Cam W. on November 2, 2000, at 7:12:39
Oh, Cam, how cruel! You're obviously bigger than I am, since I would have been unable to respond so nicely as you have.
Again, my best and warmest thoughts to you and your family. A loss such as that is devastating, and I wish that you could get the unambiguous support you need right now, rather than stupid accusations. Good for you for considering the source.
And as someone who was almost killed by a drunk driver in childhood, I can't say that the blame should fall anywhere except on the driver -- who will have to live with it forever, and it still isn't enough.
Posted by coral on November 2, 2000, at 13:35:35
In reply to Re: to Theobold Crier aka Anon » Cam W., posted by Racer on November 2, 2000, at 13:02:56
Dear Cam,
My deepest condolences for having to experience such damnedable cruelty. I guess I can understand cowardice but have NO compassion for cruelty.
May peace be with you and yours.
Coral
Posted by B Day on November 2, 2000, at 16:35:10
In reply to to Theobold Crier aka Anon, posted by Cam W. on November 2, 2000, at 7:12:39
Cam,
I too was saddened to hear of your loss. I was also quite appalled by the content of the mail sent to you and can but wonder as to the condition of the person who sent it. I fondly remember the old days of the internet when such behavior was never tolerated for long and doing away with it was very easy. Hopefully, whatever sad need the email abuser had toward you has been satiated. I sense that person possibly does such a thing frequently.
I'm pretty new to this board, but I would like to mention to any who may not know, that the sort of unsolicited and abusive email that has been indicated in this thread (particularly if it becomes repetitive) can almost always be stopped and done so legally. This is true even if it comes to you via blind addresses or is web-based.
Sometimes it's takes a bit of doing to pinpoint the source of the problem, but once that is done, it is usually fairly easy to shut the offender down, at least for a while. Afterward, it is possible in some instances to have a repeating offender "blacklisted" across a range of service providers or even to have charges filed against the individual. In severe cases, it is often well worth the trouble.
As far as I am able, I would be willing to assist someone in handling such a problem if it was desired, needed and appropriate. It wouldn't be the first time I've done so. This might make me a target of abuse as well, but that would be ok. I would simply do some of the things I know can be done to remedy such aggravation.
Peace,
B
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 2, 2000, at 19:31:25
In reply to Re: to Theobold Crier aka Anon, posted by B Day on November 2, 2000, at 16:35:10
> the sort of unsolicited and abusive email that has been indicated in this thread (particularly if it becomes repetitive) can almost always be stopped and done so legally. This is true even if it comes to you via blind addresses or is web-based.
If you receive an abusive email after posting something here, please forward it directly to me (with all its headers, if you know how to do that). FWIW, I can then block any Psycho-Babble registrations using that email address.
Also, please do try to be civil, even when discussing such individuals. They may be blocked from posting (or may not be), but they're still reading, and intemperate references may just provoke them further. Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Greg on November 2, 2000, at 21:02:54
In reply to Re: abusive email, posted by Dr. Bob on November 2, 2000, at 19:31:25
Bob,
I think we all know you are doing the best you can to give us a safe site here, I do appreciate it and your offer to block yet more e-mail addys. Your attempts to block this person will be fruitless unfortunetly, but it is still appreciated. But given these specific circumstances, how you can speak to Cam or anyone else in this thread with the same old "please be civil" speech is beyond my comprehension. Have you ever lost a child? I have and it hurts. Had this happened to me, I would have said things you would have banned me for. I think a great deal of restraint was shown here. I don't believe anyone has any intention of carrying this on for days or weeks or months. But Cam had something he needed to say and we all needed to support him. I ask that you understand that.
Greg
Posted by noa on November 3, 2000, at 9:25:25
In reply to Re: abusive email - Civility or Support? » Dr. Bob, posted by Greg on November 2, 2000, at 21:02:54
Greg,
When Dr. Bob requested civility, I read it as addressing posts other than Cam's. Cam's post was very civil.
He was probably addressing my post, which did not say what I wanted to say, but came close enough to be questionable, as well as some others' who came right out and used very strong language.
Posted by Snowie on November 3, 2000, at 18:48:49
In reply to Suzanne Update, posted by Cam W. on November 1, 2000, at 19:43:07
Cam,
I'm terribly sorry that the man who killed your daughter got away with a slap on the wrist, but at least he was charged and found guilty. From a legal standpoint, that may help your cause.
Florida's laws begin as bills. Some of these bills eventually become laws. When codified, these laws become statutes. These laws or statutes can be changed by contacting Florida's Senators and Representatives, who make up the Florida Legislature. The Florida Legislature is the governmental body responsible for enacting and amending these laws.
Below is an URL which lists the addresses, telephone numbers, and email addresses of every member of the Florida Senate and the Florida House. Florida's tourist industry is vital to its economy, so don't think they won't pay attention. What happened to your daughter is tragic, but it can't be undone. I hope that you will vent some of your frustration where it will do the most good. If any of us can help, please let us know.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Welcome/index.cfm
As for the email you've been receiving, I hope you'll just consider the source ... and hit the block sender button. Take care.
Snowie
> I just thought I'd let everyone know that the driver that hit and killed Suzanne was charged with failing to yield to a pedestrian in a crosswalk and was fined $100.
>
> How do I feel? Check out PB. It took 3 posts to get the correct information down. I found out about this Monday night. I had to give a presentation on Tuesday. I really can't remember what I said.
>
> On a lighter note. I did dress up as a hippy (complete with rose colored glasses - even I noticed the irony) for the presentation. I must have looked fairly convincing because the secretary wasn't going to let me in to Mental Health Services in Sherwood Park, AB (where I gave the presentation). It took her a split-second to realize who I was. I looked down at myself and except for the wig, glasses and bandanna, the outfit was what I wear to cut the lawn. - Cam
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