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Posted by MKB on November 18, 2004, at 8:07:04
In reply to Re: off topic, but important, posted by gromit on November 18, 2004, at 1:16:33
Your post, as well as some before yours, is offensive to me. My sons are in the Army Reserve. They serve because they choose to. No one has forced them to sign up. They love the Army, love this country, and admire our President. No one forced any of our military to join. They are all volunteers and know it is part of their job to go where they are sent. This is a chance they take in return for the numerous benefits, including free college education. No one wants to lose a child. But I already know that if one of my sons loses his life there, he will have died doing what he wanted to do and doing it proudly.
Posted by peace train on November 18, 2004, at 9:36:42
In reply to Re: off topic, but important » gromit, posted by MKB on November 18, 2004, at 8:07:04
> Your post, as well as some before yours, is offensive to me. My sons are in the Army Reserve. They serve because they choose to. No one has forced them to sign up. They love the Army, love this country, and admire our President. No one forced any of our military to join. They are all volunteers and know it is part of their job to go where they are sent. This is a chance they take in return for the numerous benefits, including free college education. No one wants to lose a child. But I already know that if one of my sons loses his life there, he will have died doing what he wanted to do and doing it proudly.
>
There is no real difference between US forces in Iraq & Arab Terrorist's attacking the USA, in
both cases it is people slaughtering people. Same goes for Israel & the Palestinians, it's just
people killing people. It's a little ironic, but hardly surprising that a Jew invented suicide
bombing & not an Arab.
Posted by MKB on November 18, 2004, at 10:14:46
In reply to Re: off topic, but important, posted by peace train on November 18, 2004, at 9:36:42
I see a world of difference.
Posted by Jai Narayan on November 18, 2004, at 10:14:47
In reply to Re: off topic, but important, posted by peace train on November 18, 2004, at 9:36:42
I have often pondered what the human race is doing on this planet.
Are we here learning something?
have we planet hopped and we are currently on earth maybe getting ready to find our next planet?
Is karma real?
if so what is our karma here?
are we here learning lessons?
What do you think is the lesson of this killing?
I get caught up in the details of killing and being killed.
I get emotional about the lives of each of these people and how they can no longer have a life.
the act of killing another may change the person doing the killing.
I worry about all these questions.
Jai Narayan
Posted by MKB on November 18, 2004, at 10:29:55
In reply to people killing people, posted by Jai Narayan on November 18, 2004, at 10:14:47
Is sin real? Yes. Is evil real? Yes. If I am an abused wife, do I just sit quietly and wait for the husband to start being nice? No. If I see someone being abused, do I just mind my own business and go on with my life? No. Sometimes it is not easy to tell the difference between good and evil. Our government wants to liberate, not oppress. We have the power to do good in the world and we must do it. To do nothing and just go on with our comfortable, materialistic lives would not be more noble. Sacrifice is necessary for lasting change. Most of the sacrifices of our military through the years have not been in vain. We have held back the forces of evil and the world is a better place.
Posted by peace train on November 18, 2004, at 10:46:29
In reply to Re: people killing people » Jai Narayan, posted by MKB on November 18, 2004, at 10:29:55
> Is sin real? Yes. Is evil real? Yes. If I am an abused wife, do I just sit quietly and wait for the husband to start being nice? No. If I see someone being abused, do I just mind my own business and go on with my life? No. Sometimes it is not easy to tell the difference between good and evil. Our government wants to liberate, not oppress. We have the power to do good in the world and we must do it. To do nothing and just go on with our comfortable, materialistic lives would not be more noble. Sacrifice is necessary for lasting change. Most of the sacrifices of our military through the years have not been in vain. We have held back the forces of evil and the world is a better place.
>
>Iraq is all about the oil & contracts to American companies & has got little to do with liberating people.
Posted by MKB on November 18, 2004, at 11:45:18
In reply to Re: people killing people, posted by peace train on November 18, 2004, at 10:46:29
Did John Kerry say that? Would he say that? I don't think so. He knows better.
Posted by Jai Narayan on November 18, 2004, at 12:20:56
In reply to Re: people killing people » Jai Narayan, posted by MKB on November 18, 2004, at 10:29:55
Since life seems to be filled with a variety of perceptions and points of view:
can we agree that one person's liberation might just be another person's oppression?*for instance, I don't think I would want to be killing someone so that I could be a force for liberation, no matter what the motivation.
*I certainly wouldn't like to be the person being killed because someone's concept of liberation didn't include my way of being in this world.I find the topic of good and evil to be difficult.
Spirituality, for me, includes a variety of ways of looking at and being in the world.
My spirituality is a very personal topic that I really don't debate.Jai Narayan
Posted by MKB on November 18, 2004, at 12:40:48
In reply to can one persons liberation be anothers oppression?, posted by Jai Narayan on November 18, 2004, at 12:20:56
Yes! Aren't you glad you live in a country where you are free to believe as you wish? Aren't you glad you are not forced to be a particular religion? Aren't you glad someone was willing to fight for your freedom and that you don't have to fight for it? Aren't you glad that regardless of the debate about spiritual beliefs we have the voting booth? I thank God every day that I have been the beneficiary of the sacrifices of others, including 16 ancestors who were Patriots in the American Revolution.
Posted by Jai Narayan on November 18, 2004, at 12:59:23
In reply to Re: can one persons liberation be anothers oppression? » Jai Narayan, posted by MKB on November 18, 2004, at 12:40:48
Funny it seems like we are in open but with a luxury of time to type.
Jai
Posted by MKB on November 18, 2004, at 13:01:24
In reply to I too am a DAR daughter, posted by Jai Narayan on November 18, 2004, at 12:59:23
Well, you will have to carry on. I'm on my way out of town for the birth of my first grandchild.
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 18, 2004, at 13:39:33
In reply to Re: off topic, but important, posted by gromit on November 18, 2004, at 1:16:33
> their hypocrisy.
>
> gromitPlease respect the views of others and be sensitive to their feelings. Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 18, 2004, at 13:39:57
In reply to Re: off topic, but important, posted by peace train on November 18, 2004, at 9:36:42
> It's a little ironic, but hardly surprising that a Jew invented suicide
> bombing & not an Arab.When you're blocked, you're not supposed to post, so now I'm going to block you from posting for 9 weeks.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by gromit on November 18, 2004, at 13:53:00
In reply to Re: off topic, but important » gromit, posted by MKB on November 18, 2004, at 8:07:04
> Your post, as well as some before yours, is offensive to me. My sons are in the Army Reserve. They serve because they choose to. No one has forced them to sign up. They love the Army, love this country, and admire our President. No one forced any of our military to join. They are all volunteers and know it is part of their job to go where they are sent. This is a chance they take in return for the numerous benefits, including free college education. No one wants to lose a child. But I already know that if one of my sons loses his life there, he will have died doing what he wanted to do and doing it proudly.
I didn't intend to offend anyone. Your post could also be considered offensive, you seem to be implying that because one doesn't support the war they aren't proud to be American and don't support our troops. I understand that we have a volunteer army and like I said those guys are heroes, your sons are heroes. If my son chose to go in the service I would be proud of him of course.
I am not proud of our foreign policies, especially the current administration's policy of shoot first ask questions later. I am angry about the so called "Patriot Act" and many other abuses of the Bill of Rights and I'm not going to apologize for having an opinion others disagree with.
Rick
Posted by gromit on November 18, 2004, at 13:56:19
In reply to Re: I too am a DAR daughter » Jai Narayan, posted by MKB on November 18, 2004, at 13:01:24
Posted by gromit on November 18, 2004, at 14:01:08
In reply to Re: please be civil » gromit, posted by Dr. Bob on November 18, 2004, at 13:39:33
I can get a little worked up sometimes, didn't mean to offend anybody.
Posted by Jai Narayan on November 18, 2004, at 14:05:52
In reply to Re: off topic, but important » MKB, posted by gromit on November 18, 2004, at 13:53:00
What babble appears to be is a place for support not the forum for political statements.
I am sad about not having a place to do that.
but I love PB too.
I have gotten 2 PBC just today.
One on the grief site the other on faith.
I have been a bad girl.
honesty I get way to relaxed on these sites and start saying things I would say to friends....
I forget...
this is not my beautiful house, this not my.....
I am on a public forum with lots of people who have many different points of view and I can make them feel bad and unsupported when I let my hair down.
So I must ever be vigilant and careful and kind.
vigilant, careful and kind.
Jai
Posted by Jai Narayan on November 18, 2004, at 14:13:28
In reply to Re: I too am a DAR daughter » Jai Narayan, posted by MKB on November 18, 2004, at 13:01:24
I now have two grand babies. so special.
Do you know if it's a boy are girl being born?
Please keep us posted.
Jai
Posted by partlycloudy on November 18, 2004, at 14:32:49
In reply to Re: off topic, but important, posted by Jai Narayan on November 18, 2004, at 14:05:52
That's why I can't even let myself join in these threads; my "censor yourself" button has been crosswired. I can tell others to play nice but don't do it myself...
Posted by Gabbix2 on November 18, 2004, at 14:38:21
In reply to Re: off topic, but important » Jai Narayan, posted by partlycloudy on November 18, 2004, at 14:32:49
I can tell others to play nice but don't do it myself...
Me neither, Jai I admire your ability to do so though.
Posted by Jai Narayan on November 18, 2004, at 14:41:42
In reply to Re: off topic, but important » Jai Narayan, posted by partlycloudy on November 18, 2004, at 14:32:49
thanks.
I never had such a hard time as I am having now.
the job of just play nice....
it's hard.
jai
Posted by Gabbix2 on November 18, 2004, at 15:19:29
In reply to Re: off topic, but important, posted by Jai Narayan on November 18, 2004, at 14:41:42
> thanks.
Your welcome, I never used to be the type to keep quiet about these things, I don't know what has changed, but you have been "fighting?" many
of my political and faith battles for me without knowing it.
Posted by gromit on November 18, 2004, at 19:11:53
In reply to Re: off topic, but important » Jai Narayan, posted by Gabbix2 on November 18, 2004, at 15:19:29
> Your welcome, I never used to be the type to keep quiet about these things, I don't know what has changed, but you have been "fighting?" many
> of my political and faith battles for me without knowing it.I should know better than to talk religion or politics, especially on PB. I'll stick to meds and supplements from now on.
Rick
Posted by Gabbix2 on November 18, 2004, at 19:42:18
In reply to Re: off topic, but important, posted by gromit on November 18, 2004, at 19:11:53
> > Your welcome, I never used to be the type to keep quiet about these things, I don't know what has changed, but you have been "fighting?" many
> > of my political and faith battles for me without knowing it.
>
> I should know better than to talk religion or politics, especially on PB. I'll stick to meds and supplements from now on.It's hard to know when you are copping out or not, but I think I just kind of realized that there are some people who really enjoy hearing other points of view and ponder them (I love hearing what other people believe, and why, as long as they don't take my questioning them as confrontation) but there are other people who are just going to keep quoting, and there is no point in trying to add anything to their repretoir.
Also there are some people here who's views are critically thought out, yet different from my own like Dinah, who I genuinely don't want to offend, but they aren't the ones who make my face hot :)
Posted by gromit on November 19, 2004, at 1:07:41
In reply to Re: off topic, but important » gromit, posted by Gabbix2 on November 18, 2004, at 19:42:18
Yeah my wife can be, um, I'll say inflexible on some issues, like religion and politics. I will sometimes argue just for the sake of arguing, and god knows I've been in a very bad place where a topic like this, especially when it involves your kids, would be upsetting. I don't mean to imply that is the case with MKB, I'm talking about myself only.
I think whoever posted bad topic hit it on the nose, this is not the appropriate forum for me to vent about politics.
Rick
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