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Posted by alexandra_k on December 3, 2005, at 14:38:53
In reply to Looking at it another way...., posted by CamW on December 3, 2005, at 0:42:38
ROFL
thanks :-)
Posted by linkadge on December 3, 2005, at 14:42:08
In reply to Re: ...addendum » linkadge, posted by alexandra_k on December 2, 2005, at 22:10:28
Say you are testing a person to see if they are HIV positive. We know that they are either positive or negative, but the test itself could come back inconclusive, meaning that it is impossable to tell which one it is at this time.
I'm not disputing the fact that the person is still either positive or negative however.
Linkadge
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 3, 2005, at 14:42:08
In reply to Looking at it another way...., posted by CamW on December 3, 2005, at 0:42:38
> It has been my experience, that, on this board, 50% of posters are of below average intelligence.
>
> ;-P
>
> - CamAnd 50% of pharmacists graduated in the bottom half of their class. ;-)
Good to see you, Cam. Are you coming to this year's Babble Reunion or whatever they're calling it? Babble Birthday?
Lar
Posted by zenhussy on December 3, 2005, at 14:42:08
In reply to Looking at it another way...., posted by CamW on December 3, 2005, at 0:42:38
interesting observation there Cam. ;-)
Posted by phil on December 3, 2005, at 15:25:08
In reply to Looking at it another way...., posted by CamW on December 3, 2005, at 0:42:38
Anyone have a calculator?
Posted by pseudoname on December 3, 2005, at 16:31:25
In reply to Looking at it another way...., posted by CamW on December 3, 2005, at 0:42:38
> It has been my experience, that, on this board, 50% of posters are of below average intelligence.
> ;-PThat's possible, but it wouldn't always be true, even taking the average of only the people who post on this board (not the average of all people everywhere). Consider:
Say there are 100 people who post. On some scale of intelligence that has scores of 0-10...
90 posters have scores of 10.0
10 posters have scores of 9.0
The average intelligence is then 9.9, and 90% of posters on the board have ABOVE-average intelligence.Or say of 100 people posting on some other site...
1 poster has a score of 10.0.
99 posters have scores of 1.0.
The average intelligence is then 1.09, and 99% of posters on that board have BELOW-average intelligence.The statement, "On this board, 50% of posters are of below MEDIAN intelligence," would always be true (+/- 1 poster).
Posted by pseudoname on December 3, 2005, at 16:40:29
In reply to Re: Looking at it another way.... » CamW, posted by Larry Hoover on December 3, 2005, at 13:25:36
I forgot to add (to my preceding post about averages) that Larry's statement...
> And 50% of pharmacists graduated in the bottom half of their class.
...is, I think, always true, since it refers to a percentile, not an average.
Posted by Gabbix2 on December 3, 2005, at 17:54:20
In reply to 99% can be below-average » CamW, posted by pseudoname on December 3, 2005, at 16:31:25
I think that was the point, or the meaning of the comment.. which was meant tongue-in-cheek.
Posted by alexandra_k on December 3, 2005, at 17:54:48
In reply to ...I should've added... » Larry Hoover, posted by pseudoname on December 3, 2005, at 16:40:29
heh heh.
math...:-)
Posted by alexandra_k on December 3, 2005, at 17:55:32
In reply to Re: 99% can be below-average » pseudoname, posted by Gabbix2 on December 3, 2005, at 17:54:20
> I think that was the point, or the meaning of the comment.. which was meant tongue-in-cheek.
yeah. and i don't think the post that started the thread was really intended as an argument either...
Posted by Gabbix2 on December 3, 2005, at 18:47:51
In reply to Re: 99% can be below-average » Gabbix2, posted by alexandra_k on December 3, 2005, at 17:55:32
I don't think so either.. :)
Posted by pseudoname on December 3, 2005, at 22:01:27
In reply to Re: 99% can be below-average » pseudoname, posted by Gabbix2 on December 3, 2005, at 17:54:20
> Re: 99% can be below-average » pseudoname
> I think that was the point, or the meaning of the comment.. which was meant tongue-in-cheek.Gabbix...
I was sorry to see you thought my post was not appropriate.
You're right, Cam's post was tongue-in-cheek. But why do you think I didn't understand that?
This entire thread (that got moved) is playful with math & logic.
My post also plays with numbers, words, and rules. I thought it, too, *might* be pleasurable for people who enjoy logic games and math. At least it could be interesting.
I really am sorry. (I'm not being sarcastic.) I guess I'm still too socially tone-deaf to see why the other 29 logic-laden, playfully-correcting-each-other, back-&-forth posts are acceptable (including my earlier ones, I guess) but my last observation was not.
I'm open to anyone's suggestions, but please be gentle.
Posted by alexandra_k on December 3, 2005, at 22:06:54
In reply to What did I do wrong? » Gabbix2, posted by pseudoname on December 3, 2005, at 22:01:27
hey...
i shouldn't really speak for gabbi...
and i'm sure that she will come along and speak for herself but...
i don't want you beating yourself up longer than you have to...> > I think that was the point, or the meaning of the comment.. which was meant tongue-in-cheek.
i really don't think she meant that as a personal criticism. or even meant to say that your post was inappropriate. i actually came along here to sort a little something out myself...
> This entire thread (that got moved) is playful with math & logic.
:-)
yeah
> My post also plays with numbers, words, and rules. I thought it, too, *might* be pleasurable for people who enjoy logic games and math. At least it could be interesting.:-)
> I really am sorry. (I'm not being sarcastic.) I guess I'm still too socially tone-deaf to see why the other 29 logic-laden, playfully-correcting-each-other, back-&-forth posts are acceptable (including my earlier ones, I guess) but my last observation was not.(((((((pseudoname))))))))
its okay. i really don't think she meant anything personal. or anything personal about your post...
Posted by alexandra_k on December 3, 2005, at 22:14:18
In reply to Re: What did I do wrong?, posted by alexandra_k on December 3, 2005, at 22:06:54
hmmmm
depends on what you mean by 'smarter'.
they would probably beat me at the GRE anyday of the week...
or the intelligence tests even (but i bet they get to play with 'em more than me - no fair!)
i don't really know the first thing about medication so i guess i trust their judgement on that (because i'm too lazy to study it myself)
but even if i did study it myself they'd still have years on me...
and thus if i disagreed it would hinge on WHY they thought as they did (and their reasons for that) and WHY I thought as I did (and my reasons for that) and so is somebody neglecting an important piece of information or something?its not really about 'smarter than'
but i do take what they have to say with a grain of salt
(or a whole shaker)
;-)
but then if i believed everything they told me...:-(
i guess what i find tricky sometimes...
is people on the meds board...
whose p-doc tells them to do one thing...
and they proceed to do something different without informing their p-doc of that first.because...
there could be a reason why that is not a good idea. a reason that people don't know because they haven't formally learned the relevant information (and thus might miss something relevant).
but i don't know...
i don't know much about medications...
except...
that they don't seem to do a lot for me.
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 3, 2005, at 22:17:18
In reply to ...I should've added... » Larry Hoover, posted by pseudoname on December 3, 2005, at 16:40:29
> I forgot to add (to my preceding post about averages) that Larry's statement...
>
> > And 50% of pharmacists graduated in the bottom half of their class.
>
> ...is, I think, always true, since it refers to a percentile, not an average.It is always true because 50% is a half, of anything.
The 50th percentile is the median, so that's also another way of saying the same thing.
Lar
Posted by alexandra_k on December 3, 2005, at 22:17:49
In reply to Re: What did I do wrong?, posted by alexandra_k on December 3, 2005, at 22:06:54
oh.
and i enjoyed your posts
and your sense of humour.
had to think about the math ;-)
Posted by alexandra_k on December 3, 2005, at 22:21:09
In reply to Re: ...I should've added... » pseudoname, posted by Larry Hoover on December 3, 2005, at 22:17:18
ew.
and i was contemplating enrolling in stats 101 over summer school to try and get over my phobia of numbers...letters are okay...
but numbers are funny.
is number dyslexia a disorder - anyone?
i'm serious...
i think i have issues reading and transcribing numbers...
3's become 8's
and 6's become 5's etc
even when it's typed
and so i put them into my calculator all wrong
:-(
and get a novel answer everytime i do an equation :-(
Posted by Gabbix2 on December 3, 2005, at 22:43:20
In reply to What did I do wrong? » Gabbix2, posted by pseudoname on December 3, 2005, at 22:01:27
Oh Absolutely nothing!
Alexandra was absolutely right, I wasn't sure that your post meant that you knew Cam was being tongue in cheek that's all. It's so difficult to read intonation into plain type.
I'm really sorry that I made you feel bad
There was no need for you to apologize at all((Pseudoname))
Posted by Gabbix2 on December 3, 2005, at 22:45:04
In reply to Re: What did I do wrong?, posted by alexandra_k on December 3, 2005, at 22:06:54
I really appreciated that, you were exactly right and I'm glad you said something, I felt awful that my post came across that way and I too am glad that Pseudoname didn't have to feel bad any longer than necessary
Posted by Phillipa on December 3, 2005, at 23:15:32
In reply to Re: ...or overgeneralizing? » badhaircut, posted by Larry Hoover on December 1, 2005, at 13:08:02
Wow this Thread is going on and on. The answer to me is that you need to know all about the meds you are taking. Ask questions both to the pdoc and pharmacist. And based on your reaction to them. Call pdoc and say what they are. It is ultimately your decision whether to take them or not. And not everyone responds to meds or even responds the same way. We are all individuals. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 4, 2005, at 0:26:40
In reply to Re: What did I do wrong? » alexandra_k, posted by alexandra_k on December 3, 2005, at 22:17:49
> oh.
> and i enjoyed your posts
> and your sense of humour.
> had to think about the math ;-)I like that little trick, alex, posting complements to yourself. Sly girl, you. ;-)
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 4, 2005, at 0:40:37
In reply to Re: ...I should've added..., posted by alexandra_k on December 3, 2005, at 22:21:09
> ew.
> and i was contemplating enrolling in stats 101 over summer school to try and get over my phobia of numbers...And, perhaps to get a grounding in population study, and the individual. Very useful.
> letters are okay...
>
> but numbers are funny.
>
> is number dyslexia a disorder - anyone?Dyscalculia. Hundreds of thousands of hits on Google. Lots of stuff about how to manage/cope.
> i'm serious...So am I.
> i think i have issues reading and transcribing numbers...
>
> 3's become 8's
> and 6's become 5's etc
> even when it's typed
> and so i put them into my calculator all wrong
> :-(
> and get a novel answer everytime i do an equation :-(Ya, that's what would happen. And that's an example I could have seen, straight from the first website I looked at. "Students with dyscalculia have a very difficult time visualizing numbers and often mentally mix up the numbers, resulting in what appear to be 'stupid mistakes.'"
When you're less busy, we can talk about it, if you'd like.
Lar
Posted by verne on December 4, 2005, at 8:47:21
In reply to Re: ...I should've added... » alexandra_k, posted by Larry Hoover on December 4, 2005, at 0:40:37
Could anyone recommend a good introductory logic book? Something between a textbook and Logic for Dummies. Not too many funny mathematical symbols please.
I've been doing logic puzzles since I was a kid - think I inherited it from my mom. (I like Dell logic puzzles - not the computer company) But I get lost in the more complicated puzzles that ask me to figure out how my third cousin is also my aunt, grandmother, and identical twin. (and Sweden wasn't involved)
I dropped out of a logic class in college because it looked too much like math. I wanted a fuzzy philosophy course where I could BS my way through - Logic 101 wasn't the answer.
Verne
Posted by alexandra_k on December 4, 2005, at 14:53:35
In reply to Re: ...addendum » linkadge, posted by alexandra_k on December 2, 2005, at 22:10:28
Ooh. I woke up at three in the morning...
With the realisation that I messed this up rather...> 'the present king of france is bald'.
> It is not T, so it must be F.
> but to say it is F is to imply / logically entail that
> 'there is a present king of france and that present king of france is bald' is T.LOL!!! No it isn't. to say that it is F is to imply / logically entail that 'there is a present king of france and that present king of france is bald' is F.
(oops)
So...
> but of course 'there is a present king of france' is F.Yep.
> and thus 'there is a present king of france and that king of france is bald' is F.
Yep.
But there isn't a contradiction anymore...
:-(
Crap.
I'm sure it was neither true nor false because it led to contradiction if we regarded it as false...
Zeugma...
help...
Posted by alexandra_k on December 4, 2005, at 14:59:50
In reply to Re: ...I should've added... » alexandra_k, posted by Larry Hoover on December 4, 2005, at 0:40:37
> And, perhaps to get a grounding in population study, and the individual. Very useful.
ya.
i was impressed with the text book. about the first sentance was: 'statistics is not math. it is a set of procedures for (i forget)'. that helped :-) but no. there are still numbers in it :-(
> > letters are okay...
> > but numbers are funny.
> > is number dyslexia a disorder - anyone?
> Dyscalculia. Hundreds of thousands of hits on Google. Lots of stuff about how to manage/cope.ooh.
can you get a math transcriber like you can get a reader / writer for arts and soc. sci courses?
> > i'm serious...
> So am I.hmm.
> > i think i have issues reading and transcribing numbers...> > 3's become 8's
> > and 6's become 5's etc
> > even when it's typed
> > and so i put them into my calculator all wrong
> > :-(
> > and get a novel answer everytime i do an equation :-(> Ya, that's what would happen. And that's an example I could have seen, straight from the first website I looked at. "Students with dyscalculia have a very difficult time visualizing numbers and often mentally mix up the numbers, resulting in what appear to be 'stupid mistakes.'"
ah. yes, thats me. full of 'stupid mistakes'. and... i never learned the stuff you needed to learn by rote (so no calculation is involved) - like my times tables. and like adding single numbers together. so that means... i need to calculate everything (in my head or with a calculator). but i do the same thing with them in my head as i do with them trying to key them into the calculator. and reading them too... doing check sums (of peoples marks through the course) was a bit tricky for me... i managed to do it :-) but had to try it 5 or 6 times to get three consistent answers...
(never had a complaint about that i should say - and i'd match it to what the secretary got)
> When you're less busy, we can talk about it, if you'd like.yeah. that'd be cool
:-)
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