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Posted by sleepygirl on March 21, 2006, at 17:22:07
In reply to ray guns, directed energy weapons.., posted by lostforwards on March 21, 2006, at 14:27:52
I don't think so, but are you worried about this happening?
Posted by Phillipa on March 21, 2006, at 19:26:30
In reply to Re: ray guns, directed energy weapons.. » lostforwards, posted by sleepygirl on March 21, 2006, at 17:22:07
Lostforwards, I'll protect you. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by rjlockhart on March 21, 2006, at 22:35:32
In reply to Re: ray guns, directed energy weapons.., posted by Phillipa on March 21, 2006, at 19:26:30
THat was really quite i post i sat there and read it like an article ROFL. That was very intresting, you have some knowlage. You have have caught my attention
THis subject caught my attention, i didnt see anyhting and then "ray guns"
Phillipa do you think any of this can help with your condition?
Posted by deirdrehbrt on March 21, 2006, at 23:28:13
In reply to Re: ray guns, directed energ -- deirdrehbrt, posted by rjlockhart on March 21, 2006, at 22:35:32
Having said what I said, these aren't the sort of things used on the public at large. Johnny Q Public doesn't have anything to worry about.
Realistically, I'm certainly not interesting enough for the government to take notice of me, unless it's tax time.
If anyone wanted to prove that they were or weren't being exposed to microwave energy, you can get EM radiation detectors through various vendors.
Honestly though, people are much more likely to find sources of EM radiation around their typical environments, from cell phones, leaky microwave ovens (which can penetrate the body over 1"), computer monitors, TV screens, high tension power lines, and more.
I honestly don't think that anybody reading this board has ever been subjected to a directed energy weapon. Had they, they would be likely quite sick, and a doctor would have noticed some sort of tissue damage.
IRL, one company producing some of these weapons is Ionatron. http://www.ionatron.com/ Theirs are a class of weapon called LIPC, where an electric voltage is carried on the plasma created by a laser beam. They are designed though, at a minimum, to temporarily disable an individual. Were someone hit by such a weapon, the result would likely not be ambiguous.
Anyway, again, I don't think that anyone here is likely to be the target of these weapons. Unless you're trying to break into a high-security government facility, or a nuclear plant, or something similar, there would be no reason.
--Dee
Posted by lostforwards on March 22, 2006, at 7:43:25
In reply to Re: ray guns, directed energy weapons.., posted by deirdrehbrt on March 21, 2006, at 15:34:35
> By definition, the tissue damage from an energy weapon is a burn. I'll assume though, that you mean external burns.
> Microwaves can damage tissue. They can do so on a small or moderate scale without initial noticeable pain or external damage. I know of one person who was a crew chief in the Air Force who was wearing a metal belt-buckle around an active tracking radar and was rendered sterile. I have also heard stories of people being injured quite severely around other radar systems without pain being involved. One was standing on the feed horn of an air traffic control radar. He felt no pain, but the damage was enough to require amputation of his foot. I can't vouch for the levels of pain involved.
> Microwaves can, and do cause serious injury. By their nature, they can be directed. They cause internal injury. They do so by exciting water molecules inside tissue, and thus heat the tissue causing damage.
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> Directed sound doesn't cause nearly as much tissue damage, but can cause nausea, confusion, anger, etc. The military worked with sound as a means to cause confusion and to incapacitate enemies and intruders.
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> Lasers can be used to blind; either temporarily or permanently. They are an effective anti-personnel weapon.
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> CO2 lasers have been tested that were able to destroy missiles and aircraft at distances measured in miles. I saw a film of one such demonstration back in 1980. I'm certain that technology has advanced.
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> Anyway, it's possible for directed energy weapons to cause damage not immediately noticed. These weapons aren't really common. You're more likely to be injured by a microwave with leaky seals than an actual weapon.
>
> --DeeWow. Thanks for your input. I was attacked by somebody with a directed energy weapon. I was hoping that it wouldn't be possible. He targetted my brain. At least that was his claim. Shortly after being hit I had these blank states and perceptual distortions. There were no burns on my skin. However there was some pigmentation changes on my forehead.
I know it sounds hard for most people to believe. I'm not schizophrenic. Someone really did come after me.
Wouldn't the temperature of the tissue have to reach a certain point for damage to be done? When I was hit I didn't really feel anything. Just a slight tingly feeling at the back of my head.
Posted by lostforwards on March 22, 2006, at 7:44:48
In reply to Re: ray guns, directed energy weapons.., posted by special_k on March 21, 2006, at 17:03:49
Someone harassed me for about a year and claimed he could fry my brains. I've been concerned ever since.
Posted by lostforwards on March 22, 2006, at 7:45:39
In reply to Re: ray guns, directed energy weapons.., posted by Phillipa on March 21, 2006, at 19:26:30
> Lostforwards, I'll protect you. Fondly, Phillipa
thank you Phillipa
Posted by lostforwards on March 22, 2006, at 7:46:16
In reply to Re: ray guns, directed energy weapons.. » lostforwards, posted by sleepygirl on March 21, 2006, at 17:22:07
> I don't think so, but are you worried about this happening?
It's happened
Posted by caraher on March 22, 2006, at 9:29:01
In reply to Re: ray guns, directed energy weapons.. » deirdrehbrt, posted by lostforwards on March 22, 2006, at 7:43:25
> Wow. Thanks for your input. I was attacked by somebody with a directed energy weapon. I was hoping that it wouldn't be possible. He targetted my brain. At least that was his claim. Shortly after being hit I had these blank states and perceptual distortions. There were no burns on my skin. However there was some pigmentation changes on my forehead.
Could you describe the circumstances? Such as when you became aware of this tingling you associate with being hit, the exact claims of your assailant, whether you saw this weapon? What is the timeline of the threats, the attack, and this other person's telling you about what was targeted?
Posted by lostforwards on March 22, 2006, at 9:48:47
In reply to Re: ray guns, directed energy weapons.., posted by caraher on March 22, 2006, at 9:29:01
First some background:
"Sharp and Grove (note 2) found that appropriate modulation of microwave energy can result in "wireless" and "receiverless" communication of SPEECH"
http://www.raven1.net/ewmcmscr11.htm
http://www.raven1.net/v2succes.htmUsing voice to skull he told me he would fry my brains. I'm not sure how long after he said that that he shot me.
I became aware of the feeling immediately after he hit me. I didn't see the weapon. He shot me through the wall or the window. I think I've seen his van though.
Posted by notfred on March 22, 2006, at 17:09:04
In reply to ray guns, directed energy weapons.., posted by lostforwards on March 21, 2006, at 14:27:52
To me this sounds like a delusion. Have you told your doc about this consern ?
nf
Posted by special_k on March 22, 2006, at 17:44:42
In reply to Re: ray guns, directed energy weapons.. » special_k, posted by lostforwards on March 22, 2006, at 7:44:48
> Someone harassed me for about a year and claimed he could fry my brains. I've been concerned ever since.
:-(
That must have been pretty freaky
:-(But...
People do say the darndest things... Just 'cause he said he would do it... Doesn't mean he CAN do it... And even if he CAN do it (which I think is fairly improbable) I think it is even more improbable that he WOULD do it.
((((lfw))))
Posted by deirdrehbrt on March 22, 2006, at 19:42:56
In reply to Re: ray guns, directed energy weapons.. » caraher, posted by lostforwards on March 22, 2006, at 9:48:47
Lostforwards,
I know that you believe strongly in some of this technology. Some of what you believe though, may not be entirely accurate. For example, the voice-to-skull technology which you reference, and the documents you point to have some errors.\
Most important of these is the concept that it is impossible to shield oneself from such attacks. As this sort of attack is possible to be accomplished via modified Amateur Radio equipment operating in the 450MHz or 1.2 GHz bands, it is quite easy to shield oneself from these frequencies. Any proper RF shield will work. A microwave oven works directly opposite this technique, shielding the outside from the RF field within.
If an article is in error on such simple facts, it would not be unwise to question other assumptions posed.
Lastly, Amateur equipment, if used would likely be noticed, especially by other amateurs, or hams as they are called. Many amateurs engage in a sport called fox-hunting. In this sport, a transmitter is hidden, and the contest is to find said transmitter in the shortest amount of time. If someone were operating a sort of rogue transmitter on amateur bands, it would likely be heard, and when heard, located and reported to the FCC.
Also, if such equipment is being used, it would be noticed on an instrument called a field-strength meter. This instrument reports the density of RF fields in a given area. If you are seriously concerned about such a problem, an instrument such as this could confirm or disprove your suspicions.
If you're wondering if I really know what I'm talking about, my last job was as an engineer, and I also held an Amateur Radio General Class license. (I may renew it this year, but I'm not currently licensed. It expired last August, and I have a year to renew it.)
Honestly, I really don't believe you have a great deal to be worried about. If you want to prove it though, that's one technique.
Blessings,
--Dee.
Posted by lostforwards on March 23, 2006, at 8:46:56
In reply to Re: ray guns, directed energy weapons.., posted by special_k on March 22, 2006, at 17:44:42
> > Someone harassed me for about a year and claimed he could fry my brains. I've been concerned ever since.
>
> :-(
> That must have been pretty freaky
> :-(
>
> But...
>
> People do say the darndest things... JustThat's what I'm hoping for. That he was just saying it to scare me.
'cause he said he would do it... Doesn't mean he CAN do it... And even if he CAN do it (which I think is fairly improbable) I think it is even more improbable that he WOULD do it.
>
> ((((lfw))))
>
>Thanks
Posted by lostforwards on March 23, 2006, at 8:47:53
In reply to Re: ray guns, directed energy weapons.., posted by notfred on March 22, 2006, at 17:09:04
> To me this sounds like a delusion. Have you told your doc about this consern ?
>
> nfYeah, I've talked to my doc and I'm on medication. Though it hasn't made any difference
Posted by lostforwards on March 23, 2006, at 9:20:25
In reply to Re: ray guns, directed energy weapons.. » lostforwards, posted by deirdrehbrt on March 22, 2006, at 19:42:56
> Lostforwards,
> I know that you believe strongly in some of this technology. Some of what you believe though, may not be entirely accurate. For example, the voice-to-skull technology which you reference, and the documents you point to have some errors.\
> Most important of these is the concept that it is impossible to shield oneself from such attacks. As this sort of attack is possible to be accomplished via modified Amateur Radio equipment operating in the 450MHz or 1.2 GHz bands, it is quite easy to shield oneself from these frequencies. Any proper RF shield will work. A microwave oven works directly opposite this technique, shielding the outside from the RF field within.
> If an article is in error on such simple facts, it would not be unwise to question other assumptions posed.
> Lastly, Amateur equipment, if used would likely be noticed, especially by other amateurs, or hams as they are called. Many amateurs engage in a sport called fox-hunting. In this sport, a transmitter is hidden, and the contest is to find said transmitter in the shortest amount of time. If someone were operating a sort of rogue transmitter on amateur bands, it would likely be heard, and when heard, located and reported to the FCC.
> Also, if such equipment is being used, it would be noticed on an instrument called a field-strength meter. This instrument reports the density of RF fields in a given area. If you are seriously concerned about such a problem, an instrument such as this could confirm or disprove your suspicions.
> If you're wondering if I really know what I'm talking about, my last job was as an engineer, and I also held an Amateur Radio General Class license. (I may renew it this year, but I'm not currently licensed. It expired last August, and I have a year to renew it.)
> Honestly, I really don't believe you have a great deal to be worried about. If you want to prove it though, that's one technique.
> Blessings,
> --Dee.
Dee,While I don't dboubt the exitance of psychotronics ( technology that can influence the nervous system and the brain from a distance ) or directed energy weapons ( microwave ovens with the door ripped off ), I must admit that some of the information on that page may be fraudulant. However, voice to skull technology really does exist.
I never liked raven1.net much because some of the claims on that site are a little hard to swallow. The most blatant example is that the maintainer believes that there exists technology that than move objects at a distance. I find that a little hard to believe. However, I can sort of stretch my imagination and rationalize it as a possibility
lostforwards
Posted by special_k on March 23, 2006, at 13:05:14
In reply to Re: ray guns, directed energy weapons.. » notfred, posted by lostforwards on March 23, 2006, at 8:47:53
> > To me this sounds like a delusion. Have you told your doc about this consern ?
er yeah. i'll admit that that was what i was thinking too...
> Yeah, I've talked to my doc and I'm on medication. Though it hasn't made any difference
okay. have you told your doc that? sometimes... different meds are suited to different people etc...
might be time for a change?
Posted by Phillipa on March 23, 2006, at 13:46:56
In reply to Re: ray guns, directed energy weapons.. » lostforwards, posted by special_k on March 23, 2006, at 13:05:14
Lostforwards you know I care and love you as a fellow babbler so here's what I'd do. Call you doctor tell him what you're thinking about the energy attacking you and then let him decide if you need a med change. Special K is right different meds at different time for different people. Pleasa? I really do hate to see you feeling this way. Love Phillipa you do know I care.
Posted by deirdrehbrt on March 23, 2006, at 14:09:06
In reply to Re: ray guns, directed energy weapons.. » deirdrehbrt, posted by lostforwards on March 23, 2006, at 9:20:25
Hi there.
First, I hope that you can recognize that I do have some background in understanding some of the subjects you're talking about. If so, I would like to discuss the "voice-to-skull" experience you've been talking about.
From the web site you pointed me to, and the way you've discussed it, it involves using a radio (microwave or other) signal to excite nerves from a distance, and creating the sound within a person's head.
Is this really possible? It is possible to excite nerves using transcranial magnetic techniques, but what about microwaves from a distance? The brain works on electrochemical reactions, with signals travelling down axons. If we wanted to make someone hear something, we would have to target very specific neruons dedicated to hearing. From a distance, we would need a beam extremely tightly focussed, and we would need to aim it at a particular part of the brain. If we had any spillover, we would be targeting different parts of the brain and cause disturbances ranging from involuntary muscle movement, visual disturbances, possible stopping of the heart or respiration, etc. Basically, you can't hit one part of the brain and expect not to affect other parts.
Let's look at this technology in another way. If it existed, if it were possible to create the experience of sound from a distance, it would also be possible to do so from close-by. Were this able to be done, it would obviate the use of implants to restore hearing in the deaf. One cold wear a pair of glasses, or a hat containing a low power transmitter that directly stimulated the proper nerves. Unfortunately for the deaf, that just doesn't yet exist.Like others said, I would really consult your doctor if you're experiencing what's called "voice-to-skull". Working as an engineer, and having lots of experience with radio and microwave, I really don't see how such a thing is possible, let alone practical. Certainly, directed energy weapons exist, but something that can transmit sound directly to the brain, to me, doesn't sound feasible.
Good luck,
--Dee
Posted by lostforwards on March 23, 2006, at 16:34:19
In reply to Re: ray guns, directed energy weapons.., posted by Phillipa on March 23, 2006, at 13:46:56
I'm seeing my doctor soon
Posted by lostforwards on March 23, 2006, at 16:36:49
In reply to Re: ray guns, directed energy weapons.., posted by deirdrehbrt on March 23, 2006, at 14:09:06
Perhaps you're right. However my experience tell me otherwise and we do live in the 21st century. If it's not voice to skull then it's something else. My exeprience was too coherent to be the product of mental illness. At least that's how it seems.
Posted by Phillipa on March 23, 2006, at 18:56:56
In reply to Re: ray guns, directed energy weapons.. » deirdrehbrt, posted by lostforwards on March 23, 2006, at 16:36:49
If I could put my arms around you now I would and give you a big hug. Right now you need one. And do you live alone or with someone else? Love Phillipa
Posted by deirdrehbrt on March 23, 2006, at 20:43:57
In reply to Re: ray guns, directed energy weapons.. » lostforwards, posted by Phillipa on March 23, 2006, at 18:56:56
Lostforwards,
A couple years ago, my meds weren't quite right. I was having manic episodes, mixed episodes, and depressed episodes. I was all over the place. Two close friends convinced me to see my doctor. I remember the night before I went to the hospital. I was taking a walk with them. I got ahead a bit, and was watching this man down the street who was watching me. I saw him clearly. He was there, and he was watching me. My friends caught up, and didn't see him. I felt so scared to turn my back on him, but I went with my friends, and when I turned back, he was gone.Was he there? Was he real? He was to me. I can still remember him. He seemed as real as anything else I've seen. Around the same time though, there were other things too that I was seeing. I was walking on a sidewalk, and believed I had stepped on a Manta Ray. I had to go back and check. Sometimes I felt elated when I saw something and had physical proof that it was real.
Too, I sometimes heard things, though it wasn't people talking to me. It could have been radios or such. One day, just before Christmas, I was in Walmart and was listening to the Christmas music, but it was all in German.
Things have gotten better though, with sticking to my meds, my moods are better.... not perfect, but better. Haven't heard strange things, haven't seen thigns that arent' there, and more importantly, I do see the things that are there. (One time, while driving, I drove smack into a car that I couldn't see). I stopped driving about then, but I'm hoping to do that again soon too.Anyway, some of the things I saw and heard seemed so real that I still remember them as if they were. But I know that Walmart in Somersworth NH doesn't play German Christmas music. I trust my friends enough to know that if they say there was no man where I saw one, that he probably wasn't there.
Does this mean that you didn't hear something? Absolutely not. I heard things. I saw things. I still remember them. It's just that what I saw and what I heard existed in my mind. They sounded real, and looked real becasue it's my mind that defines my reality. The music couldn't have sounded more real had Walmart actually been playing German music. That man couldn't have looked more real had he actually been there. The Manta Ray couldn't have been more real if it had been tossed onto the sidewalk by some fish restaurant.
That's the nature of mental illness. It alters our reality. It substitutes an alternate reality. Aside from my Bipolar, I also have BPD. Being Borderline, sometimes I'm CERTAIN that people are mad at me. I'll stop calling them because I don't want them to yell at me. I'll avoid them, and then I'm surprised when they say they miss me. It's just another thing that my mental illness convinces me is fact that isn't. I used to be self-destructive because I thought I had wronged someone terribly and thought they now hated me. It was all in my head though. Even now, I still have those tendencies, but I have better tools to identify what's real and what's not.
Anyway, for now, maybe you can do some reality testing. When you hear things, ask someone close to you if they heard it too. Even if you suspect Voice-to-Skull, remember that it's radio waves, which disperse over distance. They aren't like lasers. Even with a directional antenna, they disperse, so if someone was very close to you, say side-by-side, they would hear it. Also, those behind you would too. If no-one else can hear it, it's probably not real.
I'll admit that it's tough when it happens alone at home. If it does though, what's being said? If it's negative stuff from someone mad at you, try asking if it would be worth the expense of a top-secret, high-tech weapon just to get even.
Maybe you can keep a journal too, keeping track of when this happens so that you can tell your doctor how often it is, and what the nature of it is.
Lastly, if the doctor decides to alter your medication, see if the phenomenon goes away. If it does, then there are only two possibilities: First, that the experiences were a symptom, and the meds worked, or second, that the person tormenting you decided to stop just when you got on meds. I would tend to think that the first explanation is the one that makes more sense.
I didn't have the same experience as you, but I was seeing and hearing things that to me, were real. The meds helped. I don't doubt that they will help you too. Until they do, try the reality testing. Find ways to verify what you are hearing. Ask friends who are close. I can only give you my opinion as an engineer that the phenomenon you are describing, were it even possible, would be beyond the ability of anybody to afford. The directed energy weapons that do exist are simply not capable of describing the effects you are talking about.
So, I offer you what comfort I can. That I experienced something similar, though not identical, and made it through. I offer you the comfort of knowing that things that aren't real can appear to be, but that you don't have to live with them forever. I offer you the reassurance that it is beyond the means of someone who is trying to get even with, or back at you to do the horrible things you are experiencing. It is possibly even beyond their desire.
I'll pray for you tonight, that things will calm some for you; that you can experience peace.Blessings,
--Dee
Posted by special_k on March 23, 2006, at 20:47:14
In reply to Re: ray guns, directed energy weapons.. » deirdrehbrt, posted by lostforwards on March 23, 2006, at 16:36:49
> Perhaps you're right. However my experience tell me otherwise... My exeprience was too coherent to be the product of mental illness. At least that's how it seems.
A lot of people with mental illness have coherent experiences that seem to be telling them things like...
aliens have landed
or the govt is sending agents after them
or something like that...your experience sounds distressing :-(
whether that experience was caused by something outside your brain
or inside your brain
you can't tell from the nature of your experience.but if the medication changes the nature of your experience...
then it will be good that you won't be having that distressing experience anymore :-)
possibly...
possibly though imo improbably...
the meds might not help and you might be right.
but... wouldn't it be better if you ewre wrong?
because then...
you wouldn't be in danger etc.
Posted by notfred on March 24, 2006, at 12:46:58
In reply to Re: ray guns, directed energy weapons.., posted by deirdrehbrt on March 23, 2006, at 14:09:06
>
> Like others said, I would really consult your doctor if you're experiencing what's called "voice-to-skull". Working as an engineer, and having lots of experience with radio and microwave, I really don't see how such a thing is possible, let alone practical. Certainly, directed energy weapons exist, but something that can transmit sound directly to the brain, to me, doesn't sound feasible.
>
> Good luck,
> --DeeGood points. It is a physical law that energy out cannot be greater than energy in. So a weapon of this magnitude would require a large energy source. An energy source alone would be quite expensive not to mention that these weapons, AFAIKT, are just in development stages.
So, if all this is true someone has a lot of money to blow (we are talking in the millions of dollars) on harrasing you. Why ? Why would they gain from spending millions of dollars to mess with you ? What would they gain ?
nf
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