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Posted by corafree on July 25, 2006, at 19:37:06
In reply to Re: Butt, I'm Really Freakin' Out! :(, posted by Phillipa on July 25, 2006, at 12:18:40
We wish.
I've written instructions right here hon'.
Nothing since midnight this morning. I'm already feeling a little stranger than usual. My 'teeth' started to ache(?) and I made a few phone calls. Got the feeling I may not have been very courteous.
I just drank mag citrate bottle #1, and in 2hrs get to drink mag citrate #2. And yuch, chicken broth tastes like chicken oil!
That's all the mag citrate I drink ... two bottles. Thought I had to drink four!
(I've the dang instruction sheet here next to me. Wonder if I can eat it and then plead temporary insanity due to starbuttvation? Oh, butt then there wouldn't be any evidence if I ate it. Boy I'm gonna' be hungry when this is over!)
Tonight at bedtime take 4 Dulcolax.
Tomorrow, I drink phospho-soda mixed w/ Sprite at 4p. Then at 8p take 2 Dulcolax. Then at 10p another phospho-soda mixed w/ Sprite.
When I wake up Thurs morn' I cannot have anything to drink until the colo at 10a. Oh wait ... I get a sip of water to take my meds. Awesome. Hope I wake up late, not 5a or something. I'll be awfully disoriented that morning w/o having my cup(s) of coffee! ={
Butt, 'to just get that far with this preparation', I'll be thankful and won't mind missing my coffee, or if the whole world looks at my butt!!!
L O L , cf
Posted by Phillipa on July 25, 2006, at 19:54:24
In reply to Re: Butt, I'm Really Freakin' Out! :( » Phillipa, posted by corafree on July 25, 2006, at 19:37:06
Corafree are you sure you read the instuctions right? I only had one bottle of mag citrate the night before. And it wasn't bad at all. This sounds like overkill to me. I didn't take ducolox either it wasn't on the prep list. Just the one bottle of mag citrate. And I ate till midnight the night before whatever I wanted. And you're not on an MAOI and even those folks can take their meds the anthesiologists know what to give you. They're trained in these things. And if you go without fluids or calories that long your blood sugar would drop . Even in the hospital at least if you were very ill you'd have a IV of dextrose and saline. sugar and water. Love Phillipa
Posted by corafree on July 25, 2006, at 20:10:23
In reply to Re: Butt, I'm Really Freakin' Out! :( » corafree, posted by james K on July 25, 2006, at 14:57:13
This doc is a Top Doc in a large metro.
He's not open-minded, caring, or understanding.
He literally reacted to my being on meds like Percocet or Valium like I was a junkie. He didn't inquire why about either?
For those of you who don't know, I had a 'textbook nervous breakdown' last March. Valium saved my life.
My reason for being on Percocet is because I was mistreated by someone.
If this doc has a heart, he learned to leave it at home many years ago.
cf
Posted by Phillipa on July 25, 2006, at 20:16:16
In reply to Re: Butt, I'm Really Freakin' Out! :( » corafree, posted by Phillipa on July 25, 2006, at 19:54:24
My doc knew I was on valium. Since it wasn't prescribed by him he didn't question it at all. Did yours question you or did you voluntarily tell him? And it's true docs today are encouraging PT instead of drugs. The neurosurgeon I saw here when I thought I might have cervical surgery. The phamplet in the office stated short term pain meds til the PT started to work. And Charlotte is a large City. The hospitals are huge and I think the health care is superior. Except for the psych docs. Love Phillipa
Posted by corafree on July 25, 2006, at 20:17:14
In reply to Re: Butt, I'm Really Freakin' Out! :( » corafree, posted by Kath on July 25, 2006, at 16:02:39
So you had general anesthesia like James?
cf
Posted by corafree on July 25, 2006, at 20:23:00
In reply to Re: Butt, I'm Really Freakin' Out! :( » corafree, posted by Phillipa on July 25, 2006, at 19:54:24
We're friends ... do you have a fax?
Hey ... should I be concerned about this?
I mean I'm concerned, but wondering why the 'overkill' myself.
I'm having URO-GYN surgery and it's prep is just like the one you've described for your colo.
love, cf
Posted by corafree on July 25, 2006, at 20:42:51
In reply to Re: Butt, I'm Really Freakin' Out! :( » Phillipa, posted by Phillipa on July 25, 2006, at 20:16:16
This colo-rectal must have read nurse's notes before he came in. He talked about the Percocet and the Valium. He didn't make any mention of the Voltaren or Flexeril. He also added that I was 'just stuck' w/ the damage done by giving birth to a large child. Not nice.
I've had PT, epidurals (even one in my skull ... not the base of my neck ... but in my 'hard head'!) mid back and up all over, trigger point.
I asked my PCP if there was a comprehensive pain clinic here and he said 'no'.
love,cf
Posted by Phillipa on July 25, 2006, at 21:07:14
In reply to Re: Butt, I'm Really Freakin' Out! :( » Phillipa, posted by corafree on July 25, 2006, at 20:23:00
Corafree I wonder if you googled colonoscopy prep and proceedure what it would say? Try that? I may do it too. Love Phillipa
Posted by corafree on July 25, 2006, at 22:05:01
In reply to Re: Butt, I'm Really Freakin' Out! :( » corafree, posted by Phillipa on July 25, 2006, at 21:07:14
Are we the same person in different locations Phillipa? I just did!
Re subject line ... my daughter and I confer this is a description of a col*-rec*al surgeon's communicatin with me.
'Your description' of a prep is what I find. Yes mine is definitely an overkill.
There is mention of people w/ constipation having to take more stuff the afternoon/eve before, but no mention of '52hours' before! And, I am just 5'4" and 120lbs, if that makes a diff'.
That's 52hrs w/o food. He made no mention of nutrition. (I saw on google you could drink some of the nutritional supplements.)
I'm was submitted to intimidation and 'possible' discrimination.
I'm really concerned. I get very angry if I am not treated well because of my social/financial standing.
I really wonder if I should not, dare I say 'demand', general anesthesia and standby precautions.
I've had unexplained abdominal distention in the last month. I read a bit about that. I did tell him this, but he paid no attention to me.
He hasn't listened to me.
Ya' know how peeps will look at you anxiously as you are speaking, as they're not even listening to you, because all they're thinking about is what they are about to say. That is what he does.
Plus, he knows how 'markedly mentally anxious' I am about a colonoscopy to begin with! I've told he and his MA repeatedly about this. I've told them I'm the girl 'that's buttshy', so they wouldn't forget.
Butt, I totally feel forgotten and am scared to my health in the hands of someone who has 'NOT' taken any necessary precautions due to my medications, past hx, fear, absence of support at home, ... drawing a blank now. It's been nearly 24hrs w/o food and I have another 28hrs to go.
Called a daughter re: light colored jello, concerns re general vs Versed/Demerol, concerns re further injury to c-spine. She said she will call me in two hours. I asked 'what about middle of night' and she said I might not hear my cell.
I've got a psych crisis/nurseline phone#, and am pretty sure they could direct me to medical crisis nurseline. In fact, I think I'll all them now, in advance, and ask them to call me back at intervals. They will and have done this in the past when I've needed psych support.
cf
Posted by Phillipa on July 25, 2006, at 22:20:07
In reply to Colonoscopy, She's Nuts/Addict, Pay Her No Attn » Phillipa, posted by corafree on July 25, 2006, at 22:05:01
Corafree can you get another doc? There seems to be a conflict with the two of you. Can it wait is it urgent. Any blood? Love Phillipa
Posted by Jost on July 25, 2006, at 23:03:27
In reply to Colonoscopy, She's Nuts/Addict, Pay Her No Attn » Phillipa, posted by corafree on July 25, 2006, at 22:05:01
cf, I'm sorry you're so freaked out by the medical stuff. Sounds like your MD is kind of insensitive. It makes you wonder where these people have been. Do they like pain, and anxiety?
I know someone who had a colonoscopy, and he had just whatever they give you for sedation and inducing overall out-of-it-ness, not general anesthesia, and he says he doesn't remember a thing.
I'm sure they'll give you something for sedation. I have heard of people who do remember the experience-- so ask for extra-- in fact, insist on it. Or better yet, have someone there with you, who can do it for/with you.
I definitely would do that. Esp. say something at the time-- maybe the nurse or anesthesia person will take care of it.
General anesthesia is something you really want to avoid. It's pretty bad for you on lots of levels.
Jost
Posted by corafree on July 26, 2006, at 10:07:11
In reply to Re: Colonoscopy, She's Nuts/Addict, Pay Her No Att » corafree, posted by Jost on July 25, 2006, at 23:03:27
I slept 3-4hrs w/o my Soma.
It's getting hard to compunicate, butt that's just the thought I was trying to wrap my brain around Jost! I appreciate you're picking up on what I was trying to make clear w/ myself.
Yep! Avoid 'general anesthesia' and go for Versed and Demerol (That's what I've been told is used here.) or find out today what they plan to use.
Yes, guess I'd best call his MA re: what they will use, warn her I'd better be 'out of it', and tell her what 'a state' I'm in!
I will ask my daughter to be as present as possible and make sure this happens.
She'll be giving him my MRI reports (Yikes; need make copies.) so he'll be reminded to be careful with positioning my neck.
Why don't we get to ask them to sign anything? ha
When the doc asks me, "How we doin'?", inside I'll be wanting to slap him, but outside (the acting me) I'll be the submissive freaked-out being who can see a mouth moving but not hear the words coming out of it!
I think it was Carly that sang 'Anticipation'. :(
tks4caring, cf
Posted by corafree on July 26, 2006, at 10:10:48
In reply to Re: Colonoscopy, She's Nuts/Addict, Pay Her No Attn » corafree, posted by Phillipa on July 25, 2006, at 22:20:07
Now I know you're another me somewhere.
I tried to see another after I had first met him a year ago, but my GYN assured me he was the best so I stuck with him.
I'm worried after asking if I've taken certain meds, they might withhold Versed/Demerol (or whatever).
love, cf
Posted by AuntieMel on July 26, 2006, at 17:39:27
In reply to Colonoscopy, She's Nuts/Addict, Pay Her No Attn » Phillipa, posted by corafree on July 25, 2006, at 22:05:01
I don't know about the procedure, but I've had the 'knockout' drugs fairly recently.
It's better than a double margarita cocktail. Best sleep I've had in years.
Posted by Phillipa on July 26, 2006, at 20:17:26
In reply to Re: Colonoscopy, She's Nuts/Addict, Pay Her No Attn » Phillipa, posted by corafree on July 26, 2006, at 10:10:48
And I had had versed before so wasn't afraid of that but had never had demerol before. They injected it in my IV. I stayed awake the whole time. High tolerance. But as I said when I got home konked out and Auntie Mel that was the best sleep I ever got also. Maybe I should get another one? Love Phillipa ps just kidding
Posted by Kath on July 26, 2006, at 20:42:21
In reply to Re: Butt, I'm Really Freakin' Out! :( » Kath, posted by corafree on July 25, 2006, at 20:17:14
It FELT like it, but I don't think it was. He said it was a sedative or somethng. Whatever it was, it must have been GOOOOOD because even thought I was OUT like a light, I would do it again tomorrow if I could (in a way!!) - it must have felt REALLY good somehow. My daughter thought maybe it was demerol or something.
I think your doctor sounds mean & heartless & snobby & it's lucky he isn't on PsychoBabble or I'd get a Please Be Civil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
Truly, I am so sorry you have this doctor.
I think it's BIGTIME overkill all this prep business. I also, like Phillipa had 1 bottle of something that tasted awful & had to drink masses of it. The desired result was that when I "pooed" it was clear & liquid like water. I'll tell ya, it got pretty hard to keep drinking more & I stopped before the result was totally clear....or I should say - oh dear - too many graphic details....it was clear like water, but with the odd bit of fibre or something in!!
Oh Cora - I am sorry you've had to go through this.
hugs, Kath
Posted by corafree on July 26, 2006, at 22:10:29
In reply to Re: Butt, I'm Really Freakin' Out! :( » corafree, posted by Kath on July 26, 2006, at 20:42:21
I called the colorectal surgeon's office. Talked to his MA and 'he' called me back.
I said "I'm distended, bloated, hard as a rock, and in pain" and "I'm crying one minute and angry the next"
He said "All I do is colonoscopies and if you are having problems with not taking your meds maybe not do it."
I said "No! Not after all this"
I said "Did you get my c-spine MRIs so that my neck will be positioned properly?"
He said "All I do is colonoscopies and if you are having problems with your spine maybe not do it. I will pay no attention to that."
I said "Can I be 'totally out of it'?"
He said "All I give is Versed and Demerol and your insurance will not cover general so maybe not do it."
I said "No not after all this. See you tomorrow."
He said (or did I hang up on him? :) ;) "okay".
He was SO WAY trying to get out of doing this and as far away from, me/anyone who had emotional or physical problems, as possible. He so NOT needed my business. I would never recommend him to anyone. I can't believe a good doc I know recommended him. Somehow he made a 'first met judgement' and hasn't 'cared' for me since.
But after all this, I better do it.
So I guess if I'm drinking Pepsi it won't be clear? :( Still just like pee'ing but not clear. Have to go buttpee!
Have to take two more Dulcolax tonight!?
How will I go w/ no drink til' 10a tomorrow. I wonder if one ice cube equals 1/2 sip so I could have two ice cubes.
OMG I don't know what I'd have done w/o my friends here. Thank you all very much.
love, cf
Posted by Kath on July 27, 2006, at 16:28:33
In reply to Re: Butt, I'm Really Freakin' Out! :(, posted by corafree on July 26, 2006, at 22:10:29
Holy Croker,
He sounds like quite the ticket!
You can always swish your mouth out with water if it gets really dry & spit it out.
You're in my thoughts.
I can't believe how mean he is & insensitive.
What about your neck though? About the postioning thing?
I send hugs, Kath
Posted by corafree on July 27, 2006, at 19:07:17
In reply to Re: Butt, I'm Really Freakin' Out! :( » corafree, posted by Kath on July 27, 2006, at 16:28:33
My worst fear did come true.
I was given Fentanyl and Versed about one minute because he began the colonoscopy. The meds did nothing!!! If anything, 'I was more awake!
I couldn't watch the TV as I was screaming bloody murder and biting down hard on anything I could find. It was like someone was turning a corkscrew inside me.
My suspicions were right. Knowing that I was on narcotic maintenance, he purposely withheld enough pain med!
After it was over, he stopped by to say, "I told you so!" and "Your colon is longer than most and is spastic, but I'm not prescribing an antispasmodic because you're on Valium."
I feel so sore and so abused.
cf
Posted by Deneb on July 27, 2006, at 21:04:58
In reply to Re: Butt, I'm Really Freakin' Out! :( » Kath, posted by corafree on July 27, 2006, at 19:07:17
(((((((((((((((corafree))))))))))))))))
I'm so sorry that happened to you! It's over now. I hope you can forget about it.
(((((corafree)))))
Deneb*
Posted by Phillipa on July 27, 2006, at 21:49:14
In reply to Re: Butt, I'm Really Freakin' Out! :( » corafree, posted by Deneb on July 27, 2006, at 21:04:58
Fentanyl is what the anesthesia docs abuse. It didn't take away the pain. Hard to believe. So what's the next move? Sorry Love Phillipa
Posted by corafree on July 28, 2006, at 1:48:33
In reply to Re: Butt, I'm Really Freakin' Out! :(, posted by Phillipa on July 27, 2006, at 21:49:14
Tks Deneb, and Phillipa, "I can't believe Fentanyl didn't work either?! I went in there w/ a horrible migraine and it was every bit as bad, or worse, after the Fentanyl and Versed!" He definitely didn't give me 'enough'!
My daughter wants to file a complaint against the colo-rectal for putting me through so much pain today. She was so upset. She has two little girls, and teaches school, so is very busy. I can't expect her 'to go to bat' for me.
I gotta' tell ya' ... feels like I'm dam*ed if I do and da*ned if I don't.
I can find a way to stay on a narcotic and be free to live w/o pain, but will continue to suffer w/ bowel problems, ... or I can choose to be bedridden w/ pain and probably have less to very little bowel problems.
I called a crisis line when I got home that is called Nurseline (psychiatric), and asked for a nurse experienced in both mental/physical. She promised to call me back after I took a short nap, but didn't.
Seems every time I turn around, I get kicked in the *ss again.
The times I've been inpatient mental health, there was only once that there was any focus on the 'medical side of my health'.
This place had a campus w/ five bldgs/units,.. CARE (a place for people w/o good insurance to be fed, counseled, rest, and recup), teen mental health, adult mental health, detox (Here physical pain mngt was addressed and medical meds could be ordered by on site docs and prescribed.), and an alcohol/drug 15day to 30day program.
Before my father passed away, I wanted to make him proud of me, and 'wormed my way in here' to try and d.c. all meds.
I had begun in detox and requested to go to the 'AA/NA program' as I thought maybe that would help me learn to live with pain. While in this unit I had 'so much pain' I was sometimes unable to sit through an hour long group. I tried so hard, but in the end, even my P there said, "You'll have to be on a narcotic and if you take it as prescribed, you are not in need of NA, or if you want to attend NA meetings, taking your medication as prescribed does not mean you're not clean."
Chronic physical pain is so depressing, and 'I think' when it manifests as a migraine or a cluster headache, it's the worst. I feel if it were lower back pain, it wouldn't be such a bother to 'my thoughts', 'my ability to see and hear', and 'my ability to think clearly'. I dunno'.
There are only a handful of treatment centers in US that focus on both mental illness and chronic pain. They are for the well-insured or wealthy.
Two years ago I was 'not a surgical candidate'.
What I need is a doctor that really cares about pain management. They're next to impossible to find. I've gone through about five in the last five years, that keep sending me back to my PCP to dispense narcotics, which PCPs don't like of course!
I'll try to go to the meetings of the ACPA (American Chronic Pain Association) here and meet people who I'm hoping can point me in a helpful direction. If I can even do that, I'll be doing about as much as I feel capable of right now.
love, cf
Posted by Kath on July 28, 2006, at 8:43:18
In reply to Re: Butt, I'm Really Freakin' Out! :( » Kath, posted by corafree on July 27, 2006, at 19:07:17
((((((((((((((((((Cora)))))))))))))))))))))))))
You were sore and you WERE abused honey.
I hope that, like here in Ontario, a copy of the 'specialist' results will be sent to your family doctor. I'd phone fam doc & check. Once that's done
OH dear - here I am givine unasked for suggestions.
If it were me, I'd type up - in easy to read point form - the whole thing including 'he said, I said' - what I'd do with it, I'd decide later, but I'd get it down on paper, that way it would be out of my head & available if I decided to do anything with it.
Then I'd make sure the results got to my fam doc & with the diagnosis of spastic colon the fam doc could prescribe.
But, I think you went for a 'I'm of an age where I should get a colo done' didn't you? I know you had bloating or problems near the end, but if you hadn't before, that could easily be from all the prep & the STRESSSSSSSSSSSSS.
If you have spastic colon & no symptoms, you could just read up about it & see what it's about. There are tons of alternative things you can do for pretty-well any ailment or condition. The Board here is a good source of info & I have some excellent books if you (or anyone for that matter) ever wants me to look up something.
I'd certainly give a copy of the 'history' I'd typed to the person who recommended this guy.
I hope your neck came through it OK. I haven't time to read much more as to posts.
Take care & you're in my thoughts Cora
luv, Kath
Posted by corafree on July 28, 2006, at 11:04:11
In reply to Re: Butt, I'm Really Freakin' Out! :( » corafree, posted by Kath on July 28, 2006, at 8:43:18
I'm searching alternative forms of anti-spasmodics now.
My PCP/family doctor, 'doesn't care, or maybe can't care', either. Both the colo-rectal doc and my familydoc/PCP are, 'anti-narcotics w/ re: fear of losing license to practice'.
No, I didn't have the colonoscopy for health maintenance.
I have a c-spine injury that requires narcotic maintenance, which worsened an already existing irritable bowel syndrome. Recently I became so bloated, distended, and sick w/ 'no pooping when on narcotic', and 'way too much pooping when tried to cut down on narcotic'.
I'm chasing 'my tail' .. haha.
I'll do something like you suggested re: write a synopsis of the ordeal, but still feel too sick to do this day.
TkKath, cf
Posted by Kath on July 28, 2006, at 14:30:47
In reply to Re: Butt, I'm Really Freakin' Out! :( » Kath, posted by corafree on July 28, 2006, at 11:04:11
Hi Cora,
Sounds like you're taking good care of yourself. That's good. I hope there are nuturing things that you can do that will help you (& your 'inner little girl', who is probably feeling pretty darned awful right about now) to feel safe & cared for. Like music you like, candles if you like them, warm bubble baths if you like them, reading a book that you like or watching a video, raiki or massage if you can afford it (stuff like that is so expensive these days that I bet most of us can't afford it).
Maybe the Alternative site would come up with some suggestions regarding anti-spasmodics.
In looking at 2 of my books under Irritable Bowel Syndrome, or Spastica Colon, here are some results:
Alfalfa is mentioned as very important. Also Vitamin B complex 50-100 mg 3x daily with meals & extra Vitamin B12 200 mcg 2x daily. Re the B's it says they're needed for proper muscle tone in the GI tract & B12 is needed for proper absorption of foods, protein synthesis & metabolism of carbs & fats.
Next important, they say is Acidophilus (more below).
They also mention Alo Vera & Garlic & Fibre
Peppermine oil is widely used for IBS 1 0r 2 capsules (0.2 ml/capsule) 3x daily fetween meals. It says that because the amounts needed can cause heartburn, the best formulations are enteric coated to pass intact through the stomach & that this would usually be stated on the labet.
Lactobacillus Acidophilus - the 'friendly' bacteria that's in yogurt. You can buy it in capsule form or powder. It should be in the cooler section in a natural foods store. It should be kept refrigerated. The best kind has FOS in it to encourage the bacteria to grow more 'colonies' or something like that.
Slippery Elm - I've had enormous personal success with using slippery elm packs on my abdomen in times of Crohn's disease flareups. It is exceedingly healing. Ask me if you want details. 28 years ago I had to have 2 sections of bowel removed due to Crohn's disease. Some years later I had a very bad flareup & was terrified that I'd need surgery again. I firmly believe that using slippery elm & mullein helped me get better. Mullein is a tall weed with large flannely leaves & a tall flower spike with yellow flowers on top. Ask me for details about making the 'tea' if you like.
The books also mention L-Glutamine.
They say if you have IBS it's wise to treat your liver as well as your digestive tract, preferably with milk thistle extract (silymarin).
There are additional herbs mentioned & there's a big list of "avoid" stuff: animal fats, butter, all carbonated beverages, coffee & all caffeine, candy, chocolate, all dairy products, fried foods, ice cream, all junk foods, margarine, nuts, orange & grapefruit & juices, pastries, processed foods, seeds, spicy foods, sugar, sugar-free chewing gum, wheat bran & wheat products! YIKES - what does that leave!!!? It says those foods encourage the secretion of mucus by the membranes & therefore prevents the uptake of nutrients.
It says to relieve occasional gas & bloating use charcoal tablets.
Anyway Cora, as I said - I have a TON of reference material if you want any info about any of this or more.
I hope you have a relaxing, restful day & weekend.
Know that my thoughts are with you. luv, Kath
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