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Posted by antigua on February 8, 2005, at 9:49:44
In reply to Re: Lee??? » AuntieMel, posted by Lee05 on February 7, 2005, at 19:16:38
34 days is a long time, and it may be some of the hardest days you'll have to go through (it was for me!) I still want to sit outside and drink that wine, but I know I'll mess it up.I think about it less often when I get more days. But I'm always thinking..
Keep posting!
antigua
Posted by AuntieMel on February 8, 2005, at 11:37:42
In reply to Re: Lee??? » AuntieMel, posted by Lee05 on February 7, 2005, at 19:16:38
Wonderful work!
Did you get your 30 day chip yet? Carrying it around in a pocket and reaching for it in moments of weakness helps, too.
It's getting towards spring here, too. Coming up quickly (valentine's day) on time to prune the roses. Which also means time to do the other spring bits and prepare for planting more goodies in the garden.
Of course, gardening season used to mean sitting outside with a beer after the day's work, but a glass of iced tea works too.
only 25 days more for the 60 day chip. right?
Posted by jujube on February 8, 2005, at 15:53:27
In reply to Re: Lee??? » AuntieMel, posted by Lee05 on February 7, 2005, at 19:16:38
34 days - that is great! Give yourself a pat on the back and a big, loving hug. And, don't worry about having not gone up to the podium yet. There's no rush. You will know when you are ready. In the meantime, keep reaching out. There's support here, in the good times and the bad.
Be good to yourself and take good care.
(((Lee)))
Posted by AuntieMel on February 9, 2005, at 13:07:09
In reply to Re: Lee??? » AuntieMel, posted by Lee05 on February 7, 2005, at 19:16:38
Hah! I haven't done that either. I've been called on to comment from my seat, but that's it - and I plan for it to stay that way.
Posted by sjb on February 10, 2005, at 8:50:17
In reply to Re: NEW -?s help re: alcohol withdrawal (long,sorry), posted by joeblow on February 3, 2005, at 22:42:39
joeblow,
It's time the mental health professionals address the incresed cravings and consumption of alcohol, at least in part, with certain ADs.
Disclaimer: I drank quite heavily and frequently before starting ADs and I am by no means blaming my drinking problem entirely on the meds.
However, in the past 9 years during which I've taken over 25 different ADs, I have noticed marked difference in my craving for drink. Some meds killed the desire all together (what was that now?), and others started me down the road again of alcohol abuse after months of teetotaling. My worst offendors were Effexor and Wellbutrin.This is obviously not a wise and healthy combo, and at the time I first mentioned to my PDoc at the time, it was dismissed out of hand.
Posted by sjb on February 10, 2005, at 8:51:15
In reply to Re: NEW -?s help re: alcohol withdrawal (long,sorry), posted by joeblow on February 3, 2005, at 22:42:39
joeblow,
It's time the mental health professionals address the incresed cravings and consumption of alcohol, at least in part, with certain ADs.
Disclaimer: I drank quite heavily and frequently before starting ADs and I am by no means blaming my drinking problem entirely on the meds.
However, in the past 9 years during which I've taken over 25 different ADs, I have noticed marked difference in my craving for drink. Some meds killed the desire all together (what was that now?), and others started me down the road again of alcohol abuse after months of teetotaling. My worst offendors were Effexor and Wellbutrin.This is obviously not a wise and healthy combo, and at the time I first mentioned to my PDoc at the time, it was dismissed out of hand.
Posted by AuntieMel on February 10, 2005, at 9:46:37
In reply to increased Alcohol cravings with some ADs, posted by sjb on February 10, 2005, at 8:50:17
Interesting. One size doesn't fit all.
I'm taking effexor and wellbutrin and I haven't noticed any difference. If anything, the wellbutrin helps cut down the desire.
I found an article that for a small percentage of the population alcohol isn't a depressor and actually raises dopamine levels and helps the drinker be more 'normal' and function better. I'm pretty sure I'm in that group. My function went down (noticibly) after quitting drink and is getting closer to normal with reducing the effexor a bit, keeping the wellbutrin at 300mg - and adding provigil as an augmenter.
Posted by partlycloudy on February 10, 2005, at 13:04:49
In reply to Re: Lee??? » AuntieMel, posted by Lee05 on February 7, 2005, at 19:16:38
I congratulate you!
Posted by Lee05 on February 10, 2005, at 14:16:15
In reply to You are a star, Lee., posted by partlycloudy on February 10, 2005, at 13:04:49
You know, I was feeling pretty down and sorry for myself a few days ago because I was due to get my 30-day chip at AA but was so sick I couldn't get there. Hearing from all of you, though, with all your pats on the back and cheering in my corner has been so incredible--it's really lifted my spirits alot. The bad news is I'm still pretty sick. The good news is I'm sober and happy today.
You guys are the best--thanks so much for my great day!
Lee
Posted by AuntieMel on February 11, 2005, at 10:15:36
In reply to You're all fantastic!, posted by Lee05 on February 10, 2005, at 14:16:15
What's up? If you were sick on your 30 day (Feb 4?) and are still sick that seems like a pretty long time.
There's a really nasty cold going around down here on the south coast, but I was only out for about ..
oops. I just counted and I was down and out for about 8 days myself. never mind.
watch out for the nyquil. 10% alcohol. down from the 25% it used to be, but still - for an AA baby it could be dangerous.
And they *do* let you get your chip late.
Posted by AuntieMel on February 11, 2005, at 13:50:00
In reply to A Vlasic Moment » AuntieMel, posted by partlycloudy on January 13, 2005, at 16:35:15
A guy down here died the other day of alcohol poisening. He gave himself a sherry enema. (This isn't a joke, really)
About the pickle. A wonderful lady at the IOP I went to says that addiction is like a pickle. Once a cucumber becomes a pickle it can never be a cucumber again.. When the user crosses the invisible line to addiction he/she can never be just a user again.
Posted by partlycloudy on February 14, 2005, at 9:54:09
In reply to Re: A Vlasic Moment » partlycloudy, posted by AuntieMel on February 11, 2005, at 13:50:00
Oh, how very sad about that death. In my boorish way I think I was trying to alude to the irreversible damage that's done to our bodies with addiction. No unpickling the cucumber, for sure.
Posted by AuntieMel on February 17, 2005, at 16:37:35
In reply to Re: Lee??? » AuntieMel, posted by Lee05 on February 7, 2005, at 19:16:38
How is it going?
And how is the depression group going?
Enquiring minds want to know.
Posted by Lee05 on February 17, 2005, at 17:51:53
In reply to Re: 44 days now Lee?, posted by AuntieMel on February 17, 2005, at 16:37:35
> How is it going?
>
> And how is the depression group going?
>
> Enquiring minds want to know.God luv ya, Auntie Mel--you keep as good track of this as I do :) I am indeed at 44 days now, and still going strong. I haven't been back to AA yet, and to be honest I'm not sure if I'm going to for right now. When I missed that meeting because I was sick, I noticed I didn't focus nearly so much on drinking during that week. And I've felt that way again this past week. Don't know if it's a wise thing or not, but right now the less I think about all things alcohol related, the stronger I feel.
The depression group is going fine--we're still just all getting to know each other, so the interaction is still a little guarded, but I think that'll change once we've had a few more sessions together.
And today...today the sun is shining and I'm feeling exceptionally positive and strong. Don't care how long it lasts--I'll take it today :)
Thanks for checking Auntie Mel--I'm not great at keeping y'all up to date without a little poke.
And how are you doing?
Lee
Posted by TamaraJ on February 18, 2005, at 14:17:39
In reply to Re: 44 days now Lee? » AuntieMel, posted by Lee05 on February 17, 2005, at 17:51:53
if going to meetings is proving difficult right now, you can have your sobriety milestones acknowledged and celebrated here (and, yes, AuntieMel is doing a great job there). Anybody here have 30, 60 . . . days of sobriety. Yeah, you are doing great! Keep it up - one day at a time. Think of here as your own personal AA group. Keep coming back Lee :-)
My thoughts are with you.
Tamara
(formerly jujube)
Posted by Lee05 on February 18, 2005, at 15:05:12
In reply to Re: Tell ya what, . . . » Lee05, posted by TamaraJ on February 18, 2005, at 14:17:39
> if going to meetings is proving difficult right now, you can have your sobriety milestones acknowledged and celebrated here (and, yes, AuntieMel is doing a great job there). Anybody here have 30, 60 . . . days of sobriety. Yeah, you are doing great! Keep it up - one day at a time. Think of here as your own personal AA group. Keep coming back Lee :-)
>
> My thoughts are with you.
>
> Tamara
> (formerly jujube)
Thanks Tamara--I'll take you up on that offer if you don't mind. I've been working so hard at this, and I really am quite proud of my milestones :) I'll also be right there cheering on anyone else who's got one to celebrate--they're important!Thanks again for your thoughts and encouragement :)
Lee
Posted by partlycloudy on February 20, 2005, at 7:59:46
In reply to It's a Deal! » TamaraJ, posted by Lee05 on February 18, 2005, at 15:05:12
Today is my 3rd day.
Posted by Lee05 on February 20, 2005, at 9:17:32
In reply to Re: It's a Deal! » Lee05, posted by partlycloudy on February 20, 2005, at 7:59:46
> Today is my 3rd day.
Congratulations partlycloudy! How are you feeling (I mean apart from incredibly proud that days 1&2 were Fri/Sat night, and you made it through to day 3!) Keep going--you're doing great!
Lee
Posted by partlycloudy on February 21, 2005, at 7:19:42
In reply to Congratulations! » partlycloudy, posted by Lee05 on February 20, 2005, at 9:17:32
Thanks for asking, Lee. I'm trying to be very casual about this not drinking thing - No Big Deal. It seems every time I approach it more seriously I feel worse when I fail. So this time I'm taking a sideways look at it, kind of strolling alongside it, so I get used to it as a way of living like eating more fruits and vegetables. Gee that sounds so trite, but I have to put this in a perspective that works for me.
(So why would I be counting days, then? Welcome to my irony.)
Physically I feel tons better waking up without a hangover. Getting past Saturday and Sunday was difficult, but I just kept busy until it was time to go to bed.
Posted by Lee05 on February 21, 2005, at 10:23:23
In reply to How I'm feeling » Lee05, posted by partlycloudy on February 21, 2005, at 7:19:42
> Thanks for asking, Lee. I'm trying to be very casual about this not drinking thing - No Big Deal. It seems every time I approach it more seriously I feel worse when I fail. So this time I'm taking a sideways look at it, kind of strolling alongside it, so I get used to it as a way of living like eating more fruits and vegetables. Gee that sounds so trite, but I have to put this in a perspective that works for me.
> (So why would I be counting days, then? Welcome to my irony.)
> Physically I feel tons better waking up without a hangover. Getting past Saturday and Sunday was difficult, but I just kept busy until it was time to go to bed.
>I understand what you're saying about a casual perspective. I ended up putting AA on hold for a while for the same reason. Great support, but I found the more I focused on the problem, the more I wanted to drink. The more I focus on other activities that don't have me paying attention to not drinking, the stronger I feel.
I think TamaraJ had a good idea though, coming here to have milestones (and whatever else we need) acknowledged. We all need a pat on the back, and here its more like dropping a note to see how we're all doing.
Not trite at all--we each have to do what works for us. Best positive thoughts are with you--have a great day!
Lee
Posted by AuntieMel on February 21, 2005, at 13:16:13
In reply to How I'm feeling » Lee05, posted by partlycloudy on February 21, 2005, at 7:19:42
There's one aa meeting I like to go to where I am. It's a big book study, in smoke filled room full of biker types. The guy that runs it is missing a few teeth, but he's one of the most intellegent people I've ever met - and his meetings keep me in stitches!
I don't go very often myself either. As much as this meeting amuses me, I'm lacking motivation.
But, every Wednesday, the IOP I went to has a 'family night' for patients and families. Mainly to explain to the families what the 'quitter' is going through and to convince them to not feel guilty. We almost never miss that one (going on 2 years) because it's just the type of reality check I need. Seeing the newbies and their families and what they are going through remind me I don't want to do it again.
Posted by AuntieMel on February 25, 2005, at 14:18:43
In reply to Re: 44 days now Lee?, posted by AuntieMel on February 17, 2005, at 16:37:35
You're getting close to 60. I'll be thinking of you this weekend.
Posted by Lee05 on February 27, 2005, at 18:55:02
In reply to Re: 52 days now Lee?, posted by AuntieMel on February 25, 2005, at 14:18:43
> You're getting close to 60. I'll be thinking of you this weekend.
Thanks Auntie Mel--54 days today! Feeling pretty great. I'm very excited at the thought of my 60 day milestone. Thinking about how I can treat myself for a well-earned reward.
Lee
Posted by Lee05 on February 27, 2005, at 18:57:33
In reply to Re: It's a Deal! » Lee05, posted by partlycloudy on February 20, 2005, at 7:59:46
> Today is my 3rd day.
How are you making out partlycoudy? Feeling OK?
Lee
Posted by TamaraJ on February 27, 2005, at 19:00:04
In reply to Re: 52 days now Lee?, posted by Lee05 on February 27, 2005, at 18:55:02
Kudos Lee. You should be very proud of yourself. Hugs and pats all around. Now for the treat: a new cd? a manicure? a pedicure? a massage? some Godiva chocolates maybe? Whatever you decide, you deserve it!
Tamara
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