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Posted by Keith C. on June 10, 2006, at 7:50:09
Hello
I want to take LSD soon however I have a fear, its probably related to my obsessive compulsive disorder but it makes me fear taking it. I would really like if someone could help me because I want to take the LSD but my fear makes me hesitate. I have looked on LSD FAQ finding a relevant answer on it but I don´t remember what it said and I don´t have the link and I can´t find the page.
My worry is that after touching the LSD paper the substance can stick to my fingers, then I fear it might move on to other objects or people after I touch them. I am afraid that the LSD then might make other people become invoulantary high through touching the same objects, then either absorbe through their skin or after they touch their mouth or for instance drink from the same glass. I specially worry this might happen to children. Once I took LSD worrying about this and my obsessive compulsive disorder made me wash my hand fo above a hour fearing it stuck on my fingers.
I have taken LSD before without worrying about this but now I do. Is this fear realistic or is the amout moving on through touching so small that it won´t influence anyone else. I would be grateful if someone could help me.
Keith C.
Posted by vainamoinen on June 12, 2006, at 18:34:19
In reply to Important LSD question, need to know b4 I take it., posted by Keith C. on June 10, 2006, at 7:50:09
Yes, if you handle LSD blotter a little bit will get on your hands and then a little bit of that little bit may transfer to someone else you touch. But the amount transferred is probably 1/1000 of the amount you would need to get high.
If you are really worried about it just wash your hands after you handle it.
By the way having taken LSD many times myself I wish I hadn't. There are some who believe it to be neurotoxic. Meaning that it hyper excites your brain into releasing too much serotonin and in the process damages the cells capacity to release it later. Not a fact just a theory, but it should give you pause.
Posted by KramericaIndustries on June 18, 2006, at 2:26:01
In reply to Re: Important LSD question, need to know b4 I take, posted by vainamoinen on June 12, 2006, at 18:34:19
I have dosed more than 30 times and although each experience seemed to "teach" me something about myself and the universe, I strongly believe that the usage has increased my depression and altered my brain chemistry negatively in permanent ways. My GP said that using psycadelics (as well as other recreational drugs and alchohol) will, over the long term, reduce the level of seratonin in the brain (I may be misquoting her but I think thats what she said). If u r already OCC, then why mess with drugs at all?
Regardless, if u r really worried about transmitting a microdose to someone, just don't touch the stuff. Buy some cheap tweezers and an X-acto knife to handle/cut the dose then throw them away, while throwing away some vital brain chemicals at the same time...Good luck.
Posted by linkadge on July 3, 2006, at 0:29:30
In reply to Re: Important LSD question, need to know b4 I take, posted by KramericaIndustries on June 18, 2006, at 2:26:01
I have talked to a number of former LSD users who wish they hadn't done it.
It seems to be a drug that some people have very bad experiences on that don't seem to easily go away.
My one friend ended up in a mental hospital for a few months after taking it. He was/is a highly intellegent person. He said that it was simply too much. He said he saw and felt things that he wish he had never been exposted to.
Linakdge
Posted by laima on July 20, 2006, at 12:33:57
In reply to Important LSD question, need to know b4 I take it., posted by Keith C. on June 10, 2006, at 7:50:09
I took some, modestly, in the distant past, when it was all over the place. Dicey. It does have a reputation of exaggerating whatever is already on one's mind (ie, anxiety, worries, who knows what else.) If you are worried about obsessions- all the more reason to back off, I'd say. After one partially bad trip, I don't ever want to take it again, though I did enjoy most of my few experiences. Who wants to be stuck in hell for 20 hours or more??? I have also heard that it can upset the balance of the brain, and have run into a fair number of former heavy users who no longer seem "quite right", even years later. It's a really serious substance.> Hello
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> I want to take LSD soon however I have a fear, its probably related to my obsessive compulsive disorder but it makes me fear taking it. I would really like if someone could help me because I want to take the LSD but my fear makes me hesitate. I have looked on LSD FAQ finding a relevant answer on it but I don´t remember what it said and I don´t have the link and I can´t find the page.
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> My worry is that after touching the LSD paper the substance can stick to my fingers, then I fear it might move on to other objects or people after I touch them. I am afraid that the LSD then might make other people become invoulantary high through touching the same objects, then either absorbe through their skin or after they touch their mouth or for instance drink from the same glass. I specially worry this might happen to children. Once I took LSD worrying about this and my obsessive compulsive disorder made me wash my hand fo above a hour fearing it stuck on my fingers.
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> I have taken LSD before without worrying about this but now I do. Is this fear realistic or is the amout moving on through touching so small that it won´t influence anyone else. I would be grateful if someone could help me.
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> Keith C.
Posted by laima on July 20, 2006, at 13:14:28
In reply to Important LSD question, need to know b4 I take it., posted by Keith C. on June 10, 2006, at 7:50:09
Geez, I keep thinking about your post. Believe me, I sure enjoyed my own good lsd experiences, and definately understand why you would want to use it again. But I still hope you back off, personally. I suspect the events of the lsd contamination concerns story you relate might have to do with your obsessive compulsive disorder, and you might have gotten through that lucky. I understand not all doses are of the same strength, some can be adulterated, some can be "speedy"...who knows? I remember one story of a guy who freaked out, ended up in an emergency room, and described the experience as sheer, utter terror and horror- much enhanced by the drug of course. The staff there wasn't too sympathetic to him either, and that didn't help. They didn't do anything for him either- just kept him there until it wore off I think. Also, if you are taking any medications, what if they interact? There doesn't seem to be much info out there about interactions. If you are hesitating, that doesn't seem to be a promising forecast for a good experience. Would be nice if an "antidolt" to turn it off in the middle of a trip existed.> Hello
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> I want to take LSD soon however I have a fear, its probably related to my obsessive compulsive disorder but it makes me fear taking it. I would really like if someone could help me because I want to take the LSD but my fear makes me hesitate. I have looked on LSD FAQ finding a relevant answer on it but I don´t remember what it said and I don´t have the link and I can´t find the page.
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> My worry is that after touching the LSD paper the substance can stick to my fingers, then I fear it might move on to other objects or people after I touch them. I am afraid that the LSD then might make other people become invoulantary high through touching the same objects, then either absorbe through their skin or after they touch their mouth or for instance drink from the same glass. I specially worry this might happen to children. Once I took LSD worrying about this and my obsessive compulsive disorder made me wash my hand fo above a hour fearing it stuck on my fingers.
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> I have taken LSD before without worrying about this but now I do. Is this fear realistic or is the amout moving on through touching so small that it won´t influence anyone else. I would be grateful if someone could help me.
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> Keith C.
Posted by JahL on July 21, 2006, at 20:58:21
In reply to Re: Important LSD question, need to know b4 I take, posted by vainamoinen on June 12, 2006, at 18:34:19
> By the way having taken LSD many times myself I wish I hadn't. There are some who believe it to be neurotoxic. Meaning that it hyper excites your brain into releasing too much serotonin and in the process damages the cells capacity to release it later. Not a fact just a theory, but it should give you pause.I took well over 100 trips in my teens and all of them turned out to be pretty positive experiences. There can be no doubt that a trip can be a very special journey; I have seen and experienced things far beyond normal human comprehension. LSD, in addition to various other choice drugs, gave my profoundly depressed life some spark, vigour and excitement. For that reason alone, I will never condemn anyone who chooses to take drugs.
However I could be one of the luckier ones. I have seen the darker side of LSD first hand.
Two of my trip-head friends from back in the day were responsible for consuming vast amounts of LSD and both developed acute psychosis as a result. Twelve years on and they're both stuffed to the eyeballs with powerful anti-psychotics, having been diagnosed schizophrenic (I'm not suggesting LSD causes schizophrenia, but I imagine it's a strong trigger for those predisposed towards this condition).
Another time we were staying in Ibiza. A friend took a single blotter - only his second ever trip - and within the hour had jumped through a first-floor plate glass window. He spent the entire season cooped up in an Ibizan mental institution.
Clearly LSD is a powerful drug that should inspire both huge appreciation and deep respect. If I manage to treat my Bipolar, there is every chance I will occasionally revisit LSD, as well as mushies, which are more fun. But I'm aware of the accompanying risk.
BTW - is it me, or is there something more 'noble' about the humble trip than, for example, the cheap self-gratifying hit you get from crack?
J.
Posted by james K on July 22, 2006, at 2:54:57
In reply to Re: Important LSD question, need to know b4 I take, posted by JahL on July 21, 2006, at 20:58:21
Just felt a need to chime in here. I haven't read all the posts in this thread today, so I may be irrelevant to some of this, but Jahl's post of today was of interest.
I've took some for a while. I don't regret having taken it, but I wouldn't recommend anybody with potential mental problems risking it. I loved the visual and musical stimulation and ways of feeling I experienced. I also don't know if I could have understood just how nervous and uptight I was if I hadn't taken something that magnified those feeling to the extent of real insanity. So I'm grateful to have had my negative feelings open to such intense unrelenting scrutiny by myself.
I don't ever want to feel that way again however. In fact, recently I had some what I'll call "body image issues" and realized those feelings were like tripping, and thus should be discarded as "potentially insane".
to sum up. The discoveries about thought process and the fun may have been worth it, and I may have payed an unknown price, I can't risk doing it again, because my possible outcomes are drastically more expanded and negative these days.
I think the first good feeling I had from a hit of crack was just as noble as the first good feeling I had from lsd. Feeling okay is not to be dismissed lightly. and I do mean okay, alright, as in not bad. getting from myself or nature or another would be great as in more than okay.
James K
Posted by laima on July 22, 2006, at 9:05:19
In reply to Re: Important LSD question, need to know b4 I take, posted by JahL on July 21, 2006, at 20:58:21
You have a lot more experience with this drug than I do, that's for sure. But I do think it's fair to say that not all batches are quite as pure, and a speedy batch could certainly exasperate an existing psychoological problem. Then there's that whole "felony" bother...
I agree, LSD much more "noble" and educational than some kind of quick cheap-experience crack.
Me- I think I could easily slip into a state of fear or depression or worse if I ever used again. Please don't entirely write off the true-story warnings, though yes I acknowledge it sounds like you've been through a lot. Be well.> > By the way having taken LSD many times myself I wish I hadn't. There are some who believe it to be neurotoxic. Meaning that it hyper excites your brain into releasing too much serotonin and in the process damages the cells capacity to release it later. Not a fact just a theory, but it should give you pause.
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> I took well over 100 trips in my teens and all of them turned out to be pretty positive experiences. There can be no doubt that a trip can be a very special journey; I have seen and experienced things far beyond normal human comprehension. LSD, in addition to various other choice drugs, gave my profoundly depressed life some spark, vigour and excitement. For that reason alone, I will never condemn anyone who chooses to take drugs.
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> However I could be one of the luckier ones. I have seen the darker side of LSD first hand.
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> Two of my trip-head friends from back in the day were responsible for consuming vast amounts of LSD and both developed acute psychosis as a result. Twelve years on and they're both stuffed to the eyeballs with powerful anti-psychotics, having been diagnosed schizophrenic (I'm not suggesting LSD causes schizophrenia, but I imagine it's a strong trigger for those predisposed towards this condition).
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> Another time we were staying in Ibiza. A friend took a single blotter - only his second ever trip - and within the hour had jumped through a first-floor plate glass window. He spent the entire season cooped up in an Ibizan mental institution.
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> Clearly LSD is a powerful drug that should inspire both huge appreciation and deep respect. If I manage to treat my Bipolar, there is every chance I will occasionally revisit LSD, as well as mushies, which are more fun. But I'm aware of the accompanying risk.
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> BTW - is it me, or is there something more 'noble' about the humble trip than, for example, the cheap self-gratifying hit you get from crack?
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Posted by JahL on July 23, 2006, at 12:52:57
In reply to Re: Important LSD question, need to know b4 I take » JahL, posted by james K on July 22, 2006, at 2:54:57
Hi James.
The last (and only) time we spoke, was in the Dr Savodnik (sp?) thread. You and I were reported for 'criminal discussions' on Admin, so I left the conversation. You were in a bad way back then - I hope you're doing better.
> I think the first good feeling I had from a hit of crack was just as noble as the first good feeling I had from lsd.
OK, fair point. I suppose I was talking from an intellectual point of view. Also, my crack memories are not good. My first toot was at knife-point in a Brixton Yardie crack den. I was pretty young. I have also seen crack f*ck a lot of my friends up, more so than other substances.
> Feeling okay is not to be dismissed lightly. and I do mean okay, alright, as in not bad. getting from myself or nature or another would be great as in more than okay.
Yeah, I guess your first hit can be a pretty profound experience. I can still remember my first E - after a decade of depression I suddenly, briefly, loved everyone and everything. Amazing. I'm a hedonist at heart and so I guess drugs will always play some role in my life. I've done the necessary reading and I'm fully aware of the risks.
Best,
J.
Posted by JahL on July 23, 2006, at 13:25:44
In reply to Re: Important LSD question, need to know b4 I take » JahL, posted by laima on July 22, 2006, at 9:05:19
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> You have a lot more experience with this drug than I do, that's for sure. But I do think it's fair to say that not all batches are quite as pure, and a speedy batch could certainly exasperate an existing psychoological problem.Hi, undoubtedly. As I say, I have seen lives utterly ruined by LSD.
I'm not so sure purity is the main issue - from my recollection it had more to do with the form the LSD took. Microdots are an intense, physical trip, whereas blotters tend to be more visually-orientated and light-hearted. I dunno.
> Then there's that whole "felony" bother...
Yup. I have friends rotting in jail for various 'drug offences'.
> Please don't entirely write off the true-story warnings.
Absolutely. My problem is I'm 100% anhedonic, which means the *only* way I can experience pleasure is through artificial means. It's not how I'd like it, but that's the way it is. One top Bipolar expert wrote in my report that illicit drugs had 'enriched' my life. A professor actually said that!
Having said all of that, I would *never* actually encourage anyone to take drugs. It's got to be a personal choice either way. By the same token though, I'm not going to be dishonest and tell people that drugs possess no positive qualities at all. I think like many things in life it comes down to simple risk/benefit analysis.
> Be well.
And you,
J.
Posted by JahL on July 23, 2006, at 13:52:21
In reply to Re: Important LSD question, need to know b4 I take » laima, posted by JahL on July 23, 2006, at 13:25:44
I thought some of you might be interested in this very recent - and controversial I imagine - study:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9522-magic-mushrooms-really-cause-spiritual-experiences.html
"The researchers used psychological questionnaires and found that 22 of the 36 volunteers had a “complete” mystical experience after taking psilocybin."
"More than one-third of the volunteers said that their encounter with psilocybin was the single most spiritually significant experience in their lifetimes."
"Griffiths says that in the future psilocybin might have a therapeutic use, perhaps helping people who have just learned they have cancer come to terms with the news. But he is quick to add that “the therapeutic application is very speculative”."
BUT:
"However, more than 20% of the participants described their psilocybin sessions as dominated by negative feelings such as anxiety."
I suppose it's relevant to what we've been talking about. I think it's thought-provoking stuff.
J.
Posted by laima on July 23, 2006, at 17:23:58
In reply to Psilocybin and 'spirituality'., posted by JahL on July 23, 2006, at 13:52:21
Hey, you know I saw those reports about the study and was going to point it out to you, too- but you beat me!
No doubt you are familiar with the whole history involving the discovery of LSD, the controversial not-exactly-always-ethical-secret studies, the cover-ups, etc, etc. How is anyone then to know what on earth to believe? I agree, there are many unknowns in "science" about this substance. But I've still, in my limited scope, seen some scary things happen to perfectly smart, stable, and competent people around me.
In any case, I'm personally planning to keep refraining for the reasons I 've already mentioned, and it sounds like you know what you are mixed up with- but I still hope you keep your wits about you if you keep using.
Take care,
Laima.
> I thought some of you might be interested in this very recent - and controversial I imagine - study:
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> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9522-magic-mushrooms-really-cause-spiritual-experiences.html
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> "The researchers used psychological questionnaires and found that 22 of the 36 volunteers had a “complete” mystical experience after taking psilocybin."
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> "More than one-third of the volunteers said that their encounter with psilocybin was the single most spiritually significant experience in their lifetimes."
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> "Griffiths says that in the future psilocybin might have a therapeutic use, perhaps helping people who have just learned they have cancer come to terms with the news. But he is quick to add that “the therapeutic application is very speculative”."
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> "However, more than 20% of the participants described their psilocybin sessions as dominated by negative feelings such as anxiety."
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> I suppose it's relevant to what we've been talking about. I think it's thought-provoking stuff.The anxiety part? FOR SURE. I would speculate they might have already had some anxiety-but I could be wrong.
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Posted by james K on July 24, 2006, at 2:03:36
In reply to Re: Important LSD question, need to know b4 I take » james K, posted by JahL on July 23, 2006, at 12:52:57
> Hi James.
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> The last (and only) time we spoke, was in the Dr Savodnik (sp?) thread. You and I were reported for 'criminal discussions' on Admin, so I left the conversation. You were in a bad way back then - I hope you're doing better.---I'll go slightly off topic here.
---I thought I remembered the name. I didn't know we made admin back then. I was new to the net. Maybe we got a little excited.
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Also, my crack memories are not good. My first toot was at knife-point in a Brixton Yardie crack den. I was pretty young. I have also seen crack f*ck a lot of my friends up, more so than other substances.---Yeah, I'm not sure I would give up my drug experiences, but all of them sure did mess up a lot of people along the way, including myself. I think I would always counsel a younger person to not bother. Rehap and prison. Plus the Syd Barrett factor (in the news lately)
>--- I'm doing better, by the way, still some trouble, but sometimes the easy way seems reasonable, I don't remember why the hard way seemed so important before.
best to you.
James k
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