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Posted by Ibo Gaine on January 3, 2007, at 11:47:53
Ibogaine,
OK now for some truths.
Iboga smashes Methadone, up to 150ml/mg/day.
As for Aya. DMT and Harmala alkaloids. Aya is not strong enough to step on a opiate habit. The trip is internal and has nothing to do with your physical withdrawal.
I tried it for over 2 weeks until I was immuned to Ayahuasca. The best thing to help with the withdrawal from smack and Meth is Mushrooms.
Amanita Muscaria contains Muscamol which is a most amazing pain killer.
I ate Amanita for about a week before I took Iboga. If it had not been for the Mushrooms I would have had to try and detox off of even more Methadone than I did.
Seeing as Ibogaine converts in the liver too 19 Nor-hydroxy-ibogamine, it lasts in the blood stream at high doses for about 8 weeks. Plenty of time to rewire the cerebellum and the olive in the brain.
If you do not know these parts of the brain, use the Internet and learn something.
This site should be for accurate info on substances and information, not disinformation.
Please folks get this sorted. People are dying with crap info.
Have a good one for 07 and please do some real study before putting garbage that people may believe on the web.
Tnxs Ibo'
Posted by 10derHeart on January 3, 2007, at 11:59:30
In reply to Iboga, posted by Ibo Gaine on January 3, 2007, at 2:31:17
>If you do not know these parts of the brain, use the Internet and learn something.
>People are dying with crap info.
>...please do some real study before putting garbage that people may believe on the web.Please don't exaggerate or overgeneralize, or post things that may lead others to feel accused or put down.
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Posted by dessbee on January 3, 2007, at 12:08:38
Ibogaine is a psychoactive indole alkaloid derived from the rootbark of an African plant - Tabernanthe iboga. In recent years it has been increasingly noted for its ability to treat both drug and alcohol addiction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibogaine
Posted by Quintal on January 3, 2007, at 12:19:46
In reply to Iboga, posted by Ibo Gaine on January 3, 2007, at 2:31:17
>The best thing to help with the withdrawal from smack and Meth is Mushrooms. Amanita Muscaria contains Muscamol which is a most amazing pain killer.
I hadn't thought of that. I have an Amanita Pantherina mushroom in my cupboard but I've never felt confident about taking it.
>Plenty of time to rewire the cerebellum and the olive in the brain. If you do not know these parts of the brain, use the Internet and learn something.
I have, thank you for the education.
>This site should be for accurate info on substances and information, not disinformation.
Where do you feel there has been disinformation posted on this site?
>Have a good one for 07 and please do some real study before putting garbage that people may believe on the web.
Likewise. Again, what are you referring to? This is a public message board for people to exchange information and opinions. It does not claim to be an authority on any subject, certainly not Ibogaine.
Q
Posted by Ibo Gaine on January 5, 2007, at 5:42:26
In reply to Re: Iboga » Ibo Gaine, posted by Quintal on January 3, 2007, at 12:19:46
Hello all,
I apologize for the miff, but I started this thread cos I read here that someone wrote that Ibogaine causes brain damage. Damage to the cerebellum. Damage has been recorded in primates, but only in extremely high doses. One primate out of seven. Withdrawal causes damage to the cerebellum and so does everyday ware and tare.
Rats could be more susceptible to cell damage. All early studies of Ibogaine were conducted on rats and they suffered cell necrosis on doses of 25mg/kg and higher. This was part of the main reason that studies were held back so long.
The Amanita Pantharina is stronger than the Amanita Muscaria, but both work extremely well for withdrawal. Start with 6 grams and slowly work up. I ate 30 grms every five hours. Weed is great for the nausea that some experience from these shrooms.
Someone wrote that Ayahuasca will smash opiate withdrawal at 100ml every three days. I ordered and brewed the said brew and drank it 100ml.
I used in my first brew 150grms of Banisteriopsis Cappi as an inhibitor and 100grms of Chacruna (Psychotria Viridis) for the DMT.
It took me away from my body for about 90 minutes and showed me many of my faults, but as it started to wear off the pain of withdrawal returned. It did give me some relief, about five hours, but the nausea was extreme. When I got to the point of meeting all my demons, I chucked up for nearly two hours. Immense visuals.
My second brew was stronger.
I used 200grms Banisteriopsis Cappi and 150grms of Chagrapanga (Diplopterys Cabrerena) and was very reluctant to drink it. I split the dose into three and downed the first two doses, two days after my first attempt. It was horrendous.
I lay upon my bed and slowly the kaleidoscope of visuals stared. Then there was a blinding white flash and the right side of my scull smashed open like I had been struck by lightning and I felt as if I had been hit by a truck. There was no pain though. Just a feeling of my scull being cracked open from the inside.
I then got cast into what I can only perceive as my own hell. My own creation of Dante's Inferno. Beasts of all manner, description and kind assaulted me. I was torn and ripped by many extremely disgusting creatures with red, green and blue eyes. I lay on a sliding cliff of mud being malled and grabbed by appendages from below, like the creatures had arose from the depths of the dead and were trying to drag me down with them. I surrendered and accepted and forgave as much as I could, but the assault was completely beyond me.
I was hurled and wrenched by dead arms legs, beast of immense and Gross construction. They slavered on me, bit me, ate lumps of me, screamed in torment at me and wouldn';t let me go. I could smell the death and decay every where. I gave up many many times and just wished to die. I was picked up and hurled through a blinding vortex of screaming heads and upper torsos. The bodies of these apparitions stopped at belly button level and seemed to just melt into the mud walls of the spinning vortex. All grabbing at me and hitting me. I curled up in a ball and eventually popped out of the end, like being shot out of a cannon. For a short space of time I was ejected out into a warm bubble of golden rose light that bathed me and kind of told me that everything was OK. Then the chaos started again. From somewhere below red brown tentacles reached up and popped my bubble and suction suckers held me and dragged me down towards the beaked mouth of a great Octopus. I was eaten and dissolved in a great vat of putrid green yellow puss. The smell was so overpowering that I threw up many many times and the taste and smell of putrefaction lingered with me for nearly five days.
I died many many times that day, all I could wish for was that my body and spirit would die and just let me go and leave me in peace.
It did not beat the Methadone I was on.
After about 6 hours I began to recover. I was a sweating shaking mess for many hours after and could only lie in a hot bath and mutter to myself.
Iboga was a lot less painful. But also extreme to the extreme.
I am now clean 11 months from over 150ml Methadone 150mg Valium, 40mg Sertraline, 1600mg Gabapentin. I was also taking loads of Codeine and over a gram of Herion everyday two bottles of Vodka a bottle of wine and two special brews.
I had to wean myself off of all the stuff very quickly.
I ingested 5grms of Iboga 5 times extract and it slaughtered the withdrawal from the said Meth in a bout 12 hours. I then felt blank for about five days, then tripped very hard indeed, a bit like on LSD for over 10 weeks. Some eleven weeks after I could still feel the Iboga and get up on good food and water.
Iboga is a most amazing tool and a very compassionate teacher. I would be dead without her.
I have since used Aya many times, but have never experienced any where near the hell of the times I was addicted.
My experiences of Aya now are extremely ecstatic.
I guess I killed all them demons once and for all.
Love and Light Ibo'
Posted by Ibo Gaine on January 5, 2007, at 11:18:42
In reply to Re: Iboga, posted by Ibo Gaine on January 5, 2007, at 5:42:26
Anyone interested in my experience on Iboga can read about it at www.iboga.i8.com
I wrote this stuff whilst on Iboga and also my experience of the 53 hour trip.
Love and Light Ibo'
Posted by Llurpsie_Noodle on January 13, 2007, at 23:38:58
In reply to Re: Iboga, posted by Ibo Gaine on January 5, 2007, at 11:18:42
Hi Ibo Gaine,
interesting. What do you take right now? Do you feel that you are healthier now than previously? Do you have any psychiatric illness?
Do you feel like the substance use you write about may have changed your brain? Iboga?
I'm sorry you found misinformation on Psycho-Babble. I try my best, but sometimes I get it wrong. I bet most people on Psycho-babble try to provide good information, but of course sometimes we make mistakes. There are ways of correcting or providing alternative information without causing hurt to the original poster.
Anyways, welcome
-Ll
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