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Posted by Tye on April 2, 2002, at 20:48:44
Many of your responses tend to include the phases, "I don't know" or "It is possible." It seems we are stretching your knowledge of pharmacology to the limit. Since you are unclear about several aspects of psychopharmacology, are there any questions we can answer for you? There are several individuals here with tremendous insight and knowledge.
Your Friend,Tye
Posted by IsoM on April 2, 2002, at 22:40:28
In reply to Dr Kramer: Any questions for us?, posted by Tye on April 2, 2002, at 20:48:44
I, for one, respect someone who's not so arrogant that they won't admit they don't know something. I've yet to meet anyone knowledgable enough to have a thorough answer to every question or problem put to them, no matter what field their expertise.
You may not appreciate Dr. Kramer's answers on this forum, but I hazard a guess you may be in the minority. Tactfully questioning some of his answers that you disagree with is fine - that's how we learn about new approaches & treatments. But insulting him is hardly necessary & only serves to show you in a bad light instead, rather than as a reasonable person worth listening to.
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 3, 2002, at 11:21:53
In reply to Dr Kramer: Any questions for us?, posted by Tye on April 2, 2002, at 20:48:44
There are similarities between this account and one that's blocked. It's hard to draw conclusions about who's behind the accounts, but I want to keep the person who's blocked blocked, so I'm going to block this account, too.
Bob
PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies, or complaints about posts, should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration, thanks.
Posted by Sunnely on April 3, 2002, at 12:56:29
In reply to Dr Kramer: Any questions for us?, posted by Tye on April 2, 2002, at 20:48:44
The reality of it is that, there is no exact and correct answer for every question pertaining to the different psychiatric illnesses and psychotropic meds. So, when Dr. Kramer says "I don't know," and "It is possible," that is the honest truth.
For example, although there are several hypotheses as to what cause(s) depression, schizophrenia, and bipolar disorder, the EXACT etiology or etiologies of each disorder remains unclear. Therefore, the honest response to question as to the cause of any of these disorders is, "I don't know." However, "it is possible" for example, that schizophrenia could be due to a combination of several factors such as genetic; perinatal injury; neuroanatomical pathology; biogenic amine disturbances; other disturbances in neurotransmitters such as glutamate, GABA, neurotensin, CCK; environmental; viral; etc.
How do psychotropic drugs such as antidepressants, antipsychotics, mood stabilizers and anticonvulsants EXACTLY work as such, the honest answer is "I don't know," but "it is possible" for example that, in bipolar disorders, anticonvulsants correct the disturbances in GABA, glutamate, etc.
Anybody knows *EXACTLY* and without a doubt, how lithium works?
> Many of your responses tend to include the phases, "I don't know" or "It is possible." It seems we are stretching your knowledge of pharmacology to the limit. Since you are unclear about several aspects of psychopharmacology, are there any questions we can answer for you? There are several individuals here with tremendous insight and knowledge.
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> Tye
Posted by Bill L on April 4, 2002, at 9:25:07
In reply to Re: Dr Kramer: Any questions for us? » Tye, posted by Sunnely on April 3, 2002, at 12:56:29
It's the doctors who claim to have all the answers that you have to watch out for. I have been extremely impressed and greatful for Dr. Kramer's help and I know that most of the posters also feel that way.
Tye's post was obviously unfair and obnoxious but he or she might be depressed. When I was depressed (pre-meds) I was oftentimes obnoxious.
Posted by JohnX2 on April 4, 2002, at 15:18:56
In reply to Re: Dr Kramer: Any questions for us?, posted by Bill L on April 4, 2002, at 9:25:07
> It's the doctors who claim to have all the answers that you have to watch out for. I have been extremely impressed and greatful for Dr. Kramer's help and I know that most of the posters also feel that way.
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> Tye's post was obviously unfair and obnoxious but he or she might be depressed. When I was depressed (pre-meds) I was oftentimes obnoxious.
Or (hypo)manic. Let me tell you from experience, I have a feeling of immense vulnerability when in a severe (hypo)manic state. It can sometimes become next to impossible to screen the consequences of actions that are taken. After I settle down, looking at the after math of the damage that is done leads to immense guilt and shame. Its almost as bad as being depressed and sometimes swings me back into a depression.A lot of relationships can get destroyed in a very short time frame and bridges can be burned and never repaired. You may start to feel like an outcast trying to desperately reintegrate yourself into your circle of society. Trying to explain to people what happened after the fact and maybe "beg for forgiveness" is very demoralizing. I've been there. :-(
John
Posted by Ron Hill on April 6, 2002, at 15:00:45
In reply to Re: Dr Kramer's Answers » Tye, posted by IsoM on April 2, 2002, at 22:40:28
Posted by IsoM on April 7, 2002, at 1:33:09
In reply to IsoM, you're a middle child, aren't you? (nm) » IsoM, posted by Ron Hill on April 6, 2002, at 15:00:45
Nope, but good try. I had three brothers, no sisters, & believe me, I wasn't spoiled. My father didn't like girls & my oldest brother used to beat me up a lot. I ended up using words as weapons but also found out that calm, intelligent words can be so much more devastating than nasty words. (Really, I'm not that devious though.)
Posted by Ron Hill on April 9, 2002, at 1:46:28
In reply to Re: IsoM, you're a middle child, aren't you? » Ron Hill, posted by IsoM on April 7, 2002, at 1:33:09
> Nope, but good try. I had three brothers, no sisters, & believe me, I wasn't spoiled. My father didn't like girls & my oldest brother used to beat me up a lot. I ended up using words as weapons but also found out that calm, intelligent words can be so much more devastating than nasty words. (Really, I'm not that devious though.)
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IsoM,The reason I asked is that middle children tend to be good peacemakers and you are a peacemaker. You came to my defense once and I've seen you do the same for others on PB. Not to be sappy or anything, but that is a nice character trait to have.
-- Ron
P.S. Is your "oldest brother" (you know, the one that used to beat you up a lot) younger than you, or is it as I suspected from the start, and you are a middle child? If not, you must be a youngest.
P.S.S. You rout for the underdogs too, don't you?
Posted by IsoM on April 9, 2002, at 2:01:14
In reply to Re: IsoM, you're a middle child, aren't you? » IsoM, posted by Ron Hill on April 9, 2002, at 1:46:28
Ron, I had two older brothers - the first was much older than me, the second was only a year older than me. My brother just older than me was like my twin, we went everywhere & did everything together. Then I had a much younger brother, so if you look at it that way, I was like a middle child but there were two of us.
I know I am a peacemaker - I HATE conflict. When men get angry & raise their voices, it scares something deep in me but makes me really angry at the same time.
I don't actually root for the under-dogs as much as root for the people who are right. I'm highly principled (& opinionated) & NOTHING will make me break my principles. So if I feel someone's being unjustly bullied, I stick up for them. I was one of the smallest kids in school till I finally grew (I'm 5'6" now) but I'd beat up the bullies for the others who were picked on. Being small, I didn't fight fair - I'd use whatever necessary to win. Nasty little thing, hey? I'm sweet on the outside but hard inside when needed.
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