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Posted by Sigismund on November 14, 2007, at 18:20:37
To begin with I took 3 a day no problems, except a little nervous irritation.
Then some days I took 4.
But lately (a year later) I get some kind of initial good feeling followed quickly by some kind of bad feeling that makes me want to run and hide.
Probably too much stimulation, though I'm not sure.
So I cut the pills in half, and take 1/2 tds?
Then I feel somewhat sh*thouse (asterix added) all the time, which sucks.
If I can get by on less that would be OK.
I dunno what the matter with me is.
The only other med I'm taking is around 10mg/d Valium.
I'm just going to have to experiment.
Posted by d0pamine on November 14, 2007, at 19:38:22
In reply to Tianeptine Again, posted by Sigismund on November 14, 2007, at 18:20:37
That sounds like the same way adderall, dex and ritalin all started doing me (each after a year or so), but I figured that sort of feeling was limited to stimulants. Does it feel like something really bad is about to happen, but you've forgot what it is?
Posted by Phillipa on November 14, 2007, at 20:29:46
In reply to Tianeptine Again, posted by Sigismund on November 14, 2007, at 18:20:37
Sigi didn't know you took valium? Does it work for you? How many years thanks. Phillipa
Posted by Sigismund on November 15, 2007, at 1:18:57
In reply to Re: Tianeptine Again, posted by d0pamine on November 14, 2007, at 19:38:22
>That sounds like the same way adderall, dex and ritalin all started doing me (each after a year or so), but I figured that sort of feeling was limited to stimulants.
Could be something like that.
>Does it feel like something really bad is about to happen, but you've forgot what it is?
No, I don't think it's as bad as that.
I just feel spacey and uneasy.Took 2 today all up.
Posted by Sigismund on November 15, 2007, at 1:22:07
In reply to Re: Tianeptine Again » Sigismund, posted by Phillipa on November 14, 2007, at 20:29:46
> Sigi didn't know you took valium?
Yep>Does it work for you?
I'm addicted to it (70s speak here), so I get relief after I take it and anxiety beforehand.>How many years thanks.
33 years, I'm embarrassed to say, PJ.
Posted by Phillipa on November 15, 2007, at 18:39:52
In reply to Re: Tianeptine Again » Phillipa, posted by Sigismund on November 15, 2007, at 1:22:07
Sigi and I thought I was the only one. Thanks for sharing this and it still relieves anxiety well for you? Phillipa
Posted by Sigismund on November 15, 2007, at 20:59:28
In reply to Re: Tianeptine Again » Sigismund, posted by Phillipa on November 15, 2007, at 18:39:52
It relieves anxiety while the blood level rises above the mean and causes anxiety as it falls below it.
(I hope drug treatment is not entirely counterproductive.)
Posted by torachan on November 16, 2007, at 0:12:13
In reply to Re: Tianeptine Again » Phillipa, posted by Sigismund on November 15, 2007, at 1:22:07
>I'm addicted to it (70s speak here)
In my general experience, that's still 21st century speak, and I'm angered as to my suspicions why. I suspect the main reason docs prefer to push SSRI'S as a first line treatment is to avoid confronting the guilt of knowing the wonderful world of science has failed on this front, with a drug from the 50's still being the most effective short and long term anxiety treatment.
I'm tired of their SSRI BS. That stuff is not addictive or does not have risks/complications outweighing the benefits? PLEASE, someone lead me to an effective med to replace my clonazepam for chronic anxiety treatment and I'll gladly switch. The most recent Remeron trial hasn't convinced me of anything except the ability to oversleep and gain weight. Until they find a replacement, I'll stay "addicted" thanks.
I think I'll give Buspar a try, but I'm skeptical.>33 years, I'm embarrassed to say, PJ.
Never be embarrassed about gaining relief. It's your life, not the medical community's or anyone else. If anyone should be embarrassed, it's the science/medical community for what I believe to be not taking anxiety disorder research/treatment seriously. IMO they deal with it in a middle age fashion. I'm convinced that once they start to put proper effort into research, they'll discover a biological/genetic origin which causes our brains to improperly regulate the relaxation response that keeps the fight or flight response at bay and in proper working order. I'm sure of it. I believe some recent research has already pointed in this direction.
Sorry for the frustration and good luck with your ordeal. I missed, but do you take anything other than diazepam? Have you ever tried Buspar?
John
Posted by torachan on November 16, 2007, at 0:13:58
In reply to Re: Tianeptine Again, posted by torachan on November 16, 2007, at 0:12:13
Oops, above post is for you Sigismund.
Posted by Sigismund on November 16, 2007, at 2:04:42
In reply to Re: Tianeptine Again, posted by torachan on November 16, 2007, at 0:12:13
Hello
I haven't tried SSRIs and won't be doing so.
The wonderful world of pharmacological science leaves me cold, and has done since (I like to think) the C19, when the drugs were pleasant if toxic.
You're right to be skeptical of Buspar, IMO, another (in my opinion again) waste of time and resources.
Remeron? I took it twice but once was enough.
I can handle addiction.
What I'm having trouble with at the moment is tianeptine.I don't know if I can explain how it is making me feel.
Normally the ghost in the machine can give orders to the body to do this and that, walk to the left of this person and to the right of that one.
Well, what is happening now (after the second and last tablet of the day) is that I simply can't decide what to do.
I spent SO long in Woolworths trying to buy a few things, and perhaps should have gone to the pub instead.
Maybe this is what those people meant who said it made them feel really weird. But this is recent for me.
To begin with it was fine, and for a year or two too.Obviously (to me) psychiatry cannot be a science. (Nutritional therapy can be scientific.) One day that will not be the case, but not in my lifetime.
Give me ethnobotanists any day of the week.
But for now, what I have to do is to try 1/2 tab tianeptine three times a day, and if that proves to be too much, lower it again.
That should be easy enough. I'm good at titration.
If that doesn't work I might have to do something useful like walk across the Sahara.
Posted by torachan on November 16, 2007, at 2:46:43
In reply to Re: Tianeptine Again » torachan, posted by Sigismund on November 16, 2007, at 2:04:42
>Obviously (to me) psychiatry cannot be a science. (Nutritional therapy can be scientific.) One day that will not be the case, but not in my lifetime.
Are you saying psychiatry will never be a science or just not in your lifetime? I believe it is scientific at this point, just in it's infant stages though. I'm convinced the origin of mental illness--which is very real despite what some may think--lies in the genes, which causes neurochemical or biological malfunctioning. Sure, it's not the entire answer as environmental factors play a role, but if the predisposition can be neutralized, any illness that does arise from only environmental triggers can be dealt with using proper psycho-pharmacological therapy. Not likely to happen in our lifetimes, though, as you say. I may have slight hope at 35.
>Give me ethnobotanists any day of the week.
Some people say marijuana eases their anxiety, but that must be for the 'normal' people, as for me, it causes a slightly paranoid schizophrenic state.
Posted by Phillipa on November 16, 2007, at 18:25:54
In reply to Re: Tianeptine Again)Sigismund, posted by torachan on November 16, 2007, at 2:46:43
Glad I'm not the only one that only benzos work a bit still. The other stuff can't say what it is. Phillipa convince me otherwise? How many people are better?
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