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Posted by ColoradoSnowflake on November 28, 2009, at 22:47:39
Hi you guys:
I'm so sorry you're feeling so bad. Paralyzing FEAR FEAR FEAR has been my middle name most of my life. I would wake up in the middle of the night and obsess about everything so black and bad and such fear. If I turned on the light it was even worse....just had to lie there in abject fear and wait for real daylight to come and be a little better.
I have PTSD also. I have a lot of triggers from that and it immediately makes me cry and want to kill myself on the spot.This time of year is one massive unremitting trigger if you ask me.
But, the Parnate is working!!!!!
Thoughts of and plans for suicide has been a big deal for me...almost obsessive. I don't have those thoughts anymore!! Amazing!! Once in a while something will flit through my brain but it is very easy for me to flip it away.I am not a basket of tense anxiety and fear anymore. I am once again amazed. I am sometimes in a situation I think maybe I should have some fear but I don't. I rarely wake up in the night (amazing) and when I do I go to the bathroom and go right back to bed and immediately back to sleep.
This Parnate is a miracle for me. I am also very clear headed...maybe more than I want!
All I take is Parnate/Provigil/Nortriptyline. That's it! Sometimes I feel so "normal" it's really boring.
You guys probably remember it took me a while to work out the "kinks" on Parnate, but since I did it's been great. The diet and drug stuff is really really easy after the first month. I rarely think about it.I am a little worried now that I have had to go down to 60mg. I'm afraid I might get depressed again. I have small inner ears and trouble with virtigo. The little bit of hypotension I get from Parnate has made it worse. I just have to be more careful so I don't fall. I will NOT give up the Parnate!!
I detest this time of year. I think many of us do. I can't wait for it to be over, but I know I'm going to make it this year.
I was so afraid of Parnate that I put taking it off for years, and now I could kick myself...but
oh, well.
I think it would work for both of you. I think it's important to get the right augmentation with it.
I think maybe I don't have sleep issues because I started the nortriptyline first. Actually I started with amytriptyline first. It ended up making me too tired.
I have so much fatigue with my depression that I have to take Provigil. FB, you might do better on dexedrine since it works for you and Provigil doesn't. Bulldog, I can't remember how your daytime fatigue is. I think you can take some benzos with Parnate too. I have such an addictive personality I pretty much stay away from the benzos.I think you guys should just go for it. I've heard, and used to tell myself, Parnate ALWAYS works if you work with it. It looks like emsam is a waste of time and effort for us really TRD folks. Parnate has fewer side effects than any other AD I have ever taken, and thats a whole bunch.
I wish us ALL good luck in getting through this horrendous season coming up.
Hugs and kisses to you guys. I just hate how much you are suffering, having been there done that myself so much. People don't realize how much pain is involved in feeling like that. It's palpable.
xxooxx
Gayle
Posted by Phillipa on November 29, 2009, at 0:23:30
In reply to Bulldog and FloatingBridge - Parnate??, posted by ColoradoSnowflake on November 28, 2009, at 22:47:39
Maybe a thread surviving through the Holidays. I detest them and I admit it. Love Phillipa
Posted by manic666 on November 29, 2009, at 3:17:47
In reply to Re: Bulldog and FloatingBridge - Parnate?? » ColoradoSnowflake, posted by Phillipa on November 29, 2009, at 0:23:30
Posted by SLS on November 29, 2009, at 6:19:03
In reply to Bulldog and FloatingBridge - Parnate??, posted by ColoradoSnowflake on November 28, 2009, at 22:47:39
If you relapse at 60mg, perhaps your doctor will allow you to go back up to 80mg and take either a stimulant or fludrocortisone (Florinef) to normalize your blood pressure.
- Scott
Posted by maxime on November 29, 2009, at 19:44:20
In reply to Bulldog and FloatingBridge - Parnate??, posted by ColoradoSnowflake on November 28, 2009, at 22:47:39
I know I wouldn't make it through the holidays without my Parnate.
Actually I would be dead right now if I didn't have it. I had quite the plan ready to go in October and I know it would have worked. I still get thoughts of suicide though despite the Parnate but they aren't as intrusive.
What I can't get over is that it has cured my social anxiety!
I love you Parnate!
Posted by bulldog2 on November 30, 2009, at 9:14:28
In reply to Re: Bulldog and FloatingBridge - Parnate?? » ColoradoSnowflake, posted by maxime on November 29, 2009, at 19:44:20
> I know I wouldn't make it through the holidays without my Parnate.
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> Actually I would be dead right now if I didn't have it. I had quite the plan ready to go in October and I know it would have worked. I still get thoughts of suicide though despite the Parnate but they aren't as intrusive.
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> What I can't get over is that it has cured my social anxiety!
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> I love you Parnate!Hate social gathering. very reclusive
Posted by floatingbridge on December 1, 2009, at 12:38:43
In reply to Re: Bulldog and FloatingBridge - Parnate?? » ColoradoSnowflake, posted by maxime on November 29, 2009, at 19:44:20
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> What I can't get over is that it has cured my social anxiety!
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Maxime,Really? That's great!
fb
Posted by floatingbridge on December 1, 2009, at 12:39:36
In reply to Bulldog and FloatingBridge - Parnate??, posted by ColoradoSnowflake on November 28, 2009, at 22:47:39
Posted by SLS on December 1, 2009, at 13:06:02
In reply to Re: Bulldog and FloatingBridge - Parnate?? » ColoradoSnowflake, posted by maxime on November 29, 2009, at 19:44:20
> What I can't get over is that it has cured my social anxiety!
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> I love you Parnate!Michael Liebowitz (the social anxiety guy) found that there wasn't too much difference between Nardil and Parnate in the treatment of social anxiety. I'll see if I can find the abstract on Medline.
Yup.
- Scott
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J Clin Psychopharmacol. 1988 Aug;8(4):279-83.
Tranylcypromine in social phobia.Versiani M, Mundim FD, Nardi AE, Liebowitz MR.
Department of Psychiatry, Federal University of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.
Thirty-two patients meeting DSM-III criteria for social phobia entered a 1-year drug treatment with tranylcypromine in dosages between 40 and 60 mg/day. After exclusion of the early dropouts, improvement was rated as marked and moderate in 62% and 17% of the sample (N = 29), respectively. Alcohol abuse was associated with a poor outcome. Side effects were frequent and in some cases delayed the attainment of efficacious dosages until the third month of treatment. No serious adverse reactions occurred. The findings, relative to efficacy, are in accordance with a previous trial with phenelzine but need confirmation in double blind controlled studies
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Posted by inanimate peanut on December 1, 2009, at 14:03:51
In reply to Bulldog and FloatingBridge - Parnate??, posted by ColoradoSnowflake on November 28, 2009, at 22:47:39
You're like a walking ad for Parnate. You literally just made me cry (granted, not that hard right now). I really want to believe I can have a normal life and maybe I can with Parnate! I have tried every other drug and they either don't work or have quit working. This is pretty much my last shot. Oh, how I wish it could work!
Posted by inanimate peanut on December 1, 2009, at 14:06:59
In reply to Re: Bulldog and FloatingBridge - Parnate?? » ColoradoSnowflake, posted by inanimate peanut on December 1, 2009, at 14:03:51
Does Parnate ever just quit working? My drugs have a bad habit of working for awhile and then just quitting for fun.
Posted by SLS on December 1, 2009, at 14:57:29
In reply to Re: Bulldog and FloatingBridge - Parnate?? » ColoradoSnowflake, posted by inanimate peanut on December 1, 2009, at 14:03:51
> You're like a walking ad for Parnate. You literally just made me cry (granted, not that hard right now). I really want to believe I can have a normal life and maybe I can with Parnate! I have tried every other drug and they either don't work or have quit working. This is pretty much my last shot. Oh, how I wish it could work!
Remember, there are drugs that you can use as augmenters of Parnate. You may not be as close to your last shot as you think you are. I'm hoping that augmentation will not be necessary for you, though.
I am currently taking:
Parnate 80mg
nortriptyline 150mg
Lamictal 200mg
Abilify 10mg
lithium 300mg
- Scott
Posted by SLS on December 1, 2009, at 15:01:41
In reply to Re: Bulldog and FloatingBridge - Parnate??, posted by inanimate peanut on December 1, 2009, at 14:06:59
> Does Parnate ever just quit working?
It does happen with Parnate, but not as often as with SSRIs.
> My drugs have a bad habit of working for awhile and then just quitting for fun.
Yeah. I know. Damned drugs.
- Scott
Posted by floatingbridge on December 1, 2009, at 17:11:55
In reply to Re: Bulldog and FloatingBridge - Parnate??, posted by inanimate peanut on December 1, 2009, at 14:06:59
> Does Parnate ever just quit working? My drugs have a bad habit of working for awhile and then just quitting for fun.
I have a friend on it for over twenty years, and it is still working. You just never know. I'm hoping the best for you--I'll repeat what I've heard--give it time and be willing to tweak it. Have you found out the washout time for your situation?
fb
Posted by Katgirl on December 5, 2009, at 10:13:40
In reply to Re: Bulldog and FloatingBridge - Parnate?? » inanimate peanut, posted by floatingbridge on December 1, 2009, at 17:11:55
Wow, I did not know that parnate was good for anxiety. Hmmmm.
I'm glad everyone seems to be doing so well on this drug!
Maybe I need to find out more about MAOI's
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