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Posted by fayeroe on July 28, 2008, at 19:14:13
have called the suicide hotline.
wonder if anyone from the administration volunteers to answer calls?
Posted by caraher on July 28, 2008, at 19:37:48
In reply to 22,000 soldiers, posted by fayeroe on July 28, 2008, at 19:14:13
All they need is a tape of Cheney saying, "So?"
Posted by Sigismund on July 28, 2008, at 20:09:29
In reply to Re: 22,000 soldiers, posted by caraher on July 28, 2008, at 19:37:48
Posted by Sigismund on July 28, 2008, at 20:12:36
In reply to Re: 22,000 soldiers, posted by caraher on July 28, 2008, at 19:37:48
If those terrorists would stop trying to destroy democracy in Iraq we wouldn't be in the situation we are in.
That's what impresses me.
The moral seriousness, the intellectual engagement.
Posted by caraher on July 29, 2008, at 1:25:28
In reply to 22,000 soldiers, posted by fayeroe on July 28, 2008, at 19:14:13
Posted by fayeroe on July 29, 2008, at 8:30:07
In reply to Re: 22,000 soldiers, posted by Sigismund on July 28, 2008, at 20:12:36
> If those terrorists would stop trying to destroy democracy in Iraq we wouldn't be in the situation we are in.
>
> That's what impresses me.
>
> The moral seriousness, the intellectual engagement.Well, we have one candidate who seems to be following the road of democracy.
The other one sings on kararoke night, "Bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran"...
Two very distinct points of view.
Posted by fayeroe on July 29, 2008, at 8:40:38
In reply to 'So?', posted by caraher on July 29, 2008, at 1:25:28
Posted by Sigismund on July 29, 2008, at 15:48:28
In reply to 'So?', posted by caraher on July 29, 2008, at 1:25:28
There are 2 sides to this.
The first is that Bush, Cheney and Blair have access to a higher and secret knowledge, which permits a more penetrating insight, and allows a different standard of right and wrong.
(I don't know if this means they are really Gnostics?? Maybe the Catholic Church should have thought twice about Tony? George has a 'Higher Father'. I don't know about Dick.)
The second, which follows from this, is that the world is so much safer and better because of their actions, which they (but not everyone) can perceive, due to their ability to see into the heart of things.
That's the best face I can put on it.
Posted by Sigismund on July 29, 2008, at 15:51:38
In reply to Re: 22,000 soldiers » Sigismund, posted by fayeroe on July 29, 2008, at 8:30:07
Do you think McCain is an improvement because he is following in the realist tradition of Jim(?) Baker?
Posted by fayeroe on July 29, 2008, at 16:10:08
In reply to Re: 'So?', posted by Sigismund on July 29, 2008, at 15:48:28
Posted by fayeroe on July 29, 2008, at 16:36:18
In reply to Re: 22,000 soldiers, posted by Sigismund on July 29, 2008, at 15:51:38
I think that the only choice we have now is for McCain to send carrots to Iraq.
Remember he stated that he doesn't understand the "internets", but he likes to watch the videos about him because he finds them "very funny">
Could you get the link to his daughter?
Posted by Sigismund on July 29, 2008, at 17:44:26
In reply to Re: 'So?', posted by Sigismund on July 29, 2008, at 15:48:28
>The first is that Bush, Cheney and Blair have access to a higher and secret knowledge, which permits a more penetrating insight, and allows a different standard of right and wrong.
>I don't know if this means they are really Gnostics??
I don't want to be uncivil about Gnostics. Mani and the Manichean Thinkers (there's a band name for you) were subtle thinkers. Neither they nor Augustine would have thought that the world could be made free of evil (by the use of violence!), as our current leaders sometimes seem to believe.
I wonder if Bush saw himself as a vessel of wrath, whom God insructed to strike?
Maybe those exciting days are behind him?The gnostics were a bit different, believing that the world had been created by a God who was either evil (or incompetent?).
Given that this world can only function by creatures eating each other, I have some sympathy with this view.Somewhere EM Cioran remarks that Bach is proof that God was not entirely so.
I went looking for the quote but thought this was so good I brought it back instead.
"Every act over which the minds luminous malediction fails to preside represents a vestige of ancestral stupidity. Ideologies were invented only to give a luster to the leftover barbarism which has survived down through the ages, to cover up the murderous tendencies common to all men. Today we kill in the name of something; we no longer dare do so spontaneously; so that the very executioners must invoke motives, and, heroism being obsolete, the man who is tempted by it solves a problem more than he performs a sacrifice. Abstraction has insinuated itself into life and into death; the complexes seize great and small alike. From the Iliad to psychopathology there you have all of human history."
Posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on July 30, 2008, at 17:33:53
In reply to 'So?', posted by caraher on July 29, 2008, at 1:25:28
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SypeZjeOrY4
Listen about 1 minute in...excellent commentary!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3SemYQH-8o&feature=related
Jay :-)
Posted by caraher on July 30, 2008, at 18:50:33
In reply to Re: 'So?'..a retort I liked! » caraher, posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on July 30, 2008, at 17:33:53
If it's good enough to say to Sen. Leahy in Washington...
There's also a video of "Top 10" retorts to "So?" and there's no need to mention what took #1!
Posted by Sigismund on July 30, 2008, at 20:16:44
In reply to Re: 'So?'..a retort I liked!, posted by caraher on July 30, 2008, at 18:50:33
But it is reassuring that he's aware of the need to use public funds carefully when it comes to private interests.
Well, that's one way of putting it, I guess.
Posted by Sigismund on July 30, 2008, at 20:27:11
In reply to Re: 'So?', posted by Sigismund on July 29, 2008, at 15:48:28
>The second, which follows from this, is that the world is so much safer and better because of their actions, which they (but not everyone) can perceive, due to their ability to see into the heart of things.
I imagine what they see when they look into the heart of things is themselves.
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