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Posted by Beckett on July 19, 2012, at 20:38:29
An easy read grim in content. I post it because the US government is fracking-driven blind and I wonder about what our 'science fiction' new world as McKibben calls it will be. Since my family will be living in it. I imagine. Along with many others.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/global-warmings-terrifying-new-math-20120719?page=2
Hoping for rain and cooler weather for the corn crop in the Midwest....
Posted by sigismund on July 21, 2012, at 22:42:56
In reply to Rolling Stone/McKibben: Global warming's New Math, posted by Beckett on July 19, 2012, at 20:38:29
That's a couple of hundred years of energy in fracking, albeit with some environmental concerns. As for the climate change thing, we are free to choose whether to believe or not believe, until we wish to complain. You might call this frivolous.
I read a good book around this general subject. By an archaeologist. It is about climate change, environmental damage, growth ceilings and invasion. It made me appreciate our ignorance.
"Why the West Rules for Now" by Ian Morris.
Posted by sigismund on July 21, 2012, at 23:01:57
In reply to Rolling Stone/McKibben: Global warming's New Math, posted by Beckett on July 19, 2012, at 20:38:29
You remember this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX2kMAfJggUIt has progressed. Eastern Australia is full of coal. Gina Reinhart bought almost 20% of Fairfax. Spare change to her, just like Monckton said.
As Tony Abbott said 'climate change is crap'. I don't think we are up to it. Weighed in the balance and found wanting, I s'pose.
Posted by sigismund on July 21, 2012, at 23:20:05
In reply to Re: Rolling Stone/McKibben: Global warming's New Math » Beckett, posted by sigismund on July 21, 2012, at 23:01:57
Was it in the late 70's that Carter, in response to the tripling of oil prices, changed the speed limits? He didn't get much thanks for it so the Carter doctrine came in, making the Middle East a US vital concern. Then Reagan and feeling good, then.........so.......Murdoch quite likes Rick Santorum. No evidence of anything being learned.
Posted by Beckett on July 22, 2012, at 11:55:05
In reply to Re: Rolling Stone/McKibben: Global warming's New Math » Beckett, posted by sigismund on July 21, 2012, at 23:01:57
> It has progressed. Eastern Australia is full of coal. Gina Reinhart bought almost 20% of Fairfax. Spare change to her, just like Monckton said.
Is Fairfax an area like the Tar Sands here? Yes, I remember that clip and the Fox model skewing the Constitution to justify this latest version of the free market.
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> As Tony Abbott said 'climate change is crap'. I don't think
we are up to it. Weighed in the balance and found wanting, I s'pose.Tony Blair. What kind of an intelligent remark is that, climate change is crap. What comes to mind is my own, holy crap.
Posted by Beckett on July 22, 2012, at 12:03:51
In reply to Re: Rolling Stone/McKibben: Global warming's New Math, posted by sigismund on July 21, 2012, at 23:20:05
I don't think people remember Carter that often. He seems overlooked. He wasn't something enough for most people. He wore sweaters in the White House to encourage people to turn down their thermostats. He wasn't considered cool somehow. I really don't know exactly why. I guess you nailed it. Ask an American to drive their car slower while the lane is open. I was a kid when he was in office. I found him very calming. He would just talk. Sometimes Obama will slip and do that now. It must be some job being the president and still care about little things.
Posted by Beckett on July 22, 2012, at 13:05:00
In reply to Re: Rolling Stone/McKibben: Global warming's New Math, posted by Beckett on July 22, 2012, at 11:55:05
I see you pretty much answered that Fairfax is a tract in Eastern Australia. What's it like?
I wanted for many years to emigrate to Australia and was very down when I passed the age when I was able to do so. Now we could live conditionally with a work permit but we are entrenched with our son's life. I'm sorry about the enviornmental ravages there.
Posted by Beckett on July 22, 2012, at 13:13:50
In reply to Re: Rolling Stone/McKibben: Global warming's New Math, posted by Beckett on July 22, 2012, at 11:55:05
>Tony Blair. What kind of an intelligent remark is that, climate change is crap. What comes to mind is my own, holy crap.
I meant your Tony Abbot. Afterwards he claimed to have used a bit of hyperbole in that statement :)
Posted by sigismund on July 22, 2012, at 16:18:10
In reply to Re: Rolling Stone/McKibben: Global warming's New Math, posted by Beckett on July 22, 2012, at 11:55:05
Murdoch owns 70% of the media here. The rest is Fairfax. It's our independent media, The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age in particular. We also have the ABC, but that is government funded.
Gina Reinhart is the world's richest woman and has extensive mining interests.
Tony Abbott is the leader of the opposition. They will win in a landslide at the next election.
Posted by sigismund on July 22, 2012, at 16:35:52
In reply to Re: Rolling Stone/McKibben: Global warming's New Math » Beckett, posted by sigismund on July 22, 2012, at 16:18:10
You don't know these people and I have not conveyed how colourful they are.
Gina's father, Lang Hancock spoke with Edward Teller about creating harbours in the Pilbara with hydrogen bombs. Gina too has an enthusiasm for using nuclear weapons in the mining industry to dig up the ground. Lang made his money out of an asbestos mine called Wittenoom which was only closed in the late 70s. His party trick was to spread asbestos on his Weetbix then eat them to show how safe it was.
So these people are taking over our last bit of independent media. Slowly but surely. I think.
And they will be able to teach us how wealth is created and talk some sense into us about climate change.
Posted by sigismund on July 22, 2012, at 19:00:19
In reply to Re: Rolling Stone/McKibben: Global warming's New Math, posted by sigismund on July 22, 2012, at 16:35:52
And create some balance in the media like you have with Fox news.
Posted by Beckett on July 22, 2012, at 19:09:09
In reply to Re: Rolling Stone/McKibben: Global warming's New Math, posted by sigismund on July 22, 2012, at 19:00:19
Wow is the only thing that comes to mind right now. Oh wow.
Posted by sigismund on August 3, 2012, at 14:24:16
In reply to Re: Rolling Stone/McKibben: Global warming's New Math, posted by Beckett on July 22, 2012, at 19:09:09
Their last retreat is moving slow
They burn their bridges as they go
Posted by Beckett on August 3, 2012, at 18:34:19
In reply to Re: Rolling Stone/McKibben: Global warming's New Math, posted by sigismund on August 3, 2012, at 14:24:16
Yes. I'm afraid so.
Please jog my memory. You told me that lyric some time before. Where is it from?
Posted by sigismund on August 3, 2012, at 19:48:28
In reply to Re: Rolling Stone/McKibben: Global warming's New Math » sigismund, posted by Beckett on August 3, 2012, at 18:34:19
First some say that there is no such thing as global warming. Then that it has always happened. Then that it is real but not caused by us. Then that it is caused by us but has a tech fix. Then that it is financially irresponsible to do anything about it even though we caused it. Then that we knew all along that it was real and we should have done something. Then that scientists can fix it by injecting sulphur dioxide into the atmosphere. Those climate scientists are watermelons :)
The environmental debate in Australia hovers over the business of making hay while the sun shines in China. And we think we are geniuses. God help us when the bad times come. We are so unaccustomed to any truth at all. They are getting us used to it, a world of lies.
The quote is from Natalie Merchant 'Thick as Thieves'.
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