Posted by saint james on March 20, 2000, at 1:59:50
In reply to Re: Brain Cell Damage, posted by Cindy W on March 19, 2000, at 10:24:15
> kazoo - The LSD/brain damage (actually chromosome damage) studies were not replicable. Subsequently, they found that the lab animals (mice, I think) they were using were a bad batch. They had a more than normal rate of birth defects. Sorry dude, the brain damage was there before the LSD. ;^) After doing an extensive study on LSD for a paper in my psychology class (I was going to prove it was damaging) I found that it is probably safer "physically" (not psychologically) than smoking a cigarette (regular one). - Cam W.
James here.....
A lot of the LSD studies came from the Height Free Asbury Clinic and the sample subjects were polydrug users, esp solvents, not just LSD users. In general it is hard to find good test subjects to do narrow long tern studies on one drug.
MDMA and neurotoxisity. I say no from personal experience. The anti toxic studies all point to the same thing, that the long term studies look at short term changes and that long term thing return to baseline. We don't even know what the changes mean at to macro level. I did a lot of pure MDMA or MDA from 1984-1986, I would say 100-200 hits and know several people who did the same, with no long term effects 15 yrs out.
In todays war on drugs and misinformation it is common to mis report MDMA as mptp (Hey they start with the same letter !) a synthitic opiod now being abused somewhat which is deadly to some neurology. mptp is metabolized into a substance which induces a parkinsonian disability by selectively damaging substantia nigra, which does indeed exhibit as a "frozen-up" effect on those who have been exposed to it. If MDMA has parkinsonian effects (and NO bad effects to Dopimine pathways has ever been shown in MDMA) they do not show up short term. Reports mis ID'ing MPTP as MDMA often report person only taking MDMA once or a few times and then getting sick, so clearly MDMA was not the drug taken.
All this said I can't reccomend people taking this because it is hard to know what your are getting. I also read up on everything I was burning neuro and body wise and took supplements like crazy. The real reported (like to ER) are over heating as MDMA raises body temp, usually assoc with dancing all night (M is a really big dose of speed, this in it self can cause psychotic reaction in selected people) and water intoxification when people over do rehydrating due to sweating and dancing w/o also replacing electros. Both these can cause cardio problems and being on speed while having a cardiac event is not a good idea.
james
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