Posted by MarkinBoston on October 11, 2000, at 15:44:14
In reply to ghb and it's many benefits, posted by doug cater on October 10, 2000, at 1:30:29
I've wanted to try it and read up on it like I do any med that I consider taking. I hope you are not a law enforcement agent wasting people's time and computer resources fishing for people to arrest. This board is a godsend for folks suffering from years of legitimate serious medical problems that have been through many MDs and many meds seeking solutions.
First the good news:
It promotes level 3 sleep which decline sharply in men over age 25. GHB and level 3 sleep promote higher levels of Human Growth Hormone which improves lean to adipose tissue ratio. HGH declines with level 3 (Slow-wave) sleep. GHB, taken at bedtime help restore a more healthy and youthful sleep pattern. People wake more energetic and refreshed. JAMA published a good study in August or September about age related HGH decline, cortisol increase, and sleep disturbance in men.
Its a potent dopamine antagonist and has helped Parkinson's patients by "saving up" their dopamine at night for more normal daytime levels.
It is a strong relaxer, mentally and physically.
Its cheap to make.
Now the bad news:
An overdose results in so much relaxation that you stop breathing and there is no blocker to reverse GHB (like Narcan does for heroin). The only option is to put you on a vent until the drug clears. Half-life is fortunately only 2-3 hours. Accidental overdose is very likely due to the nearly colorless and tasteless nature of the liquid form. Now that its a Shedule I drug, the only sources are home-made. You won't be getting a pharmacuitically pure version and known concentration as might be the case if it had a lower shedule rating and were made by a real lab.
Also, being highly illegal in the US now, "friends" are less likely to call 911 in time so the victum can be vented before brain death occurs. A paramedic friend of mine has responded to two GHB overdoses - both died.
The drug is an amnesiatic like Rohibnol and is used for date-rape. Another reason for schedule I status. Personally, I think people who give a drug to someone without their knowing it belong in jail with an overly friendly cellmate instead of totally banning a drug that does have some good properties.
Bodybuilders have had much experience with it for its HGH releasing properties and many got addicted, taking it all day long and having a tough time getting off. Opiates also stimulate HGH and some bodybuilders used and had to kick them too. Those guys now just try to obtain the HGH and shoot it IM as part of their stack.
Bottom line:
There are other meds that have less risk of death or jail that can promote sleep, relaxation, and abdominal fat loss.
I disagree with much of the FDA/DEA policies which promote drug company profits and impure, potentially lethal homebrew manufacture of drugs in demand, while impedeing access to needed meds.
The FDA/DEA and AMA really lose credibility with movies like "Reefer Madness", saying steroids don't promote muscle growth, and only listing the negatives (especially at overdose levels) of whatever drug they're trying to clamp down on.The DEA rightly knows that all too often people will put something in their body without knowing or caring what it is, does, or the downsides. Be responsible using drugs and know what's in it, what it does, how much to take, and what not to mix it with. Be aware if you start to develop addiction and ramp down before it gets much harder to quit. Increased tolarance (needing more to get the same effect) is one early signs of future trouble. If you still want to use, take longer "vacations" between use at the original dose instead of moving up to a higher dose which leads to problems.
After the research I did, I decided against trying it. The upsides weren't worth the downsides for me.
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