Posted by v on July 21, 2001, at 16:04:51
In reply to Re: Dopamine function in Social Phobia » jojo, posted by Else on July 20, 2001, at 20:10:41
can you get concerta? it's a slow release form of ritalin and still relatively new
hope this helps
v
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> >But "How Good is Good Enough?
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> You said it! (Or was it me?) Anyway. Much of the goodies availlable to you Americans are "bad for us" here in Canada, or so says our very own Big Brother, Health Canada. Opiates? maybe in a hundred years. I can't even get Ritalin and believe me I am a ditz. I know there are no surefire ways of diagnosing ADD but the number of times I've locked myself out of my appartment (hundreds) should count for something. My pdoc has agreed to prescribe Klonopin which is a big step for him. I'm still working on him to get Parnate which will likely be a Herculean task. Anyway, good luck to you two with the buprenorphine. You know, it's funny, I remember reading a quote (in the book "From Chocolate to Morphine" by semi-quack Andrew Weil) by a woman who said the first time in her life she ever felt o.k. was when she took codeine. And think of all these melancholic writers and musicians who ended up on heroin. Maybe there is a type of depression related to endorphin-deficiency, who knows? Of course this may or may not be something everybody else here already knows. Anyhow. I would worry about the FDA getting really worked up over the prescribing of opiates for depression though. Right now, no one knows what buprenorphine is so the media can't yet mount some huge propaganda campaign about how it destroys young minds. Stadol is prescribed for migraines here (probably in the US too) and journalists are already beginning to hyperventilate. My theory is, the media creates the hype that forces the government to ban or restrict medications for fear of getting kicked out of office ( and pharmaceutical companies do it to keep from getting sued).
> Under the pretence of protecting citizens from the evil pharmaceutical industry and drug cartels, they sell millions of their own rags and keep people from having access to treatments that might greatly benefit them. Of course, that's not a very original theory is it? But let me give you an example (this is getting very long, I know but it's a good story). I saw this report about the pseudo-news pharmaceutical companies send to newspapers. In this case, the offender was McNeil, maker of Tylenol. The press release in question was not news at all but a well established fact: A.A.S. and NSAIDs may cause gastro-intestinal bleeding but acetaminophen does not. The newspapers picked this up and printed it as a breakthrough scientific revelation without ever revealing the makers of Tylenol were behind this. Of course, no mention was made of McNeil's own Motrin either. Or the fact that Tylenol can cause irreverable liver damage when taken in overdose and/or with lots of alcohol (relevant information, as a teenager, I used to take Tylenol pre-emptively after a bender). See what I mean? One day I'll get a stroke over something like this.
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> > > Thanks, but, I didn't even think Desoxyn was still legal (not that you can't get methamphetamine on every street corner anyway, though). Pot wont do for me, gives me panic attacks, very aversive. Celexa probably sucks since it's an SSRI or close enough anyway. Actually, I take both Klonopin and Neurontin but they turn my brain to mush. Wellbutrin is good at reversing that but it makes me twitch. Anyway, I was just wondering. I am looking for THE PERFECT DRUG or a combination of adequate ones. Maybe someday.
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> > > > > I have been reading some vague observations about poor dopaminergic function in SP and a corelation between introversion and low dopamine levels but I can't find anything to really sink my teeth into. Would this mean stimulants would be helpful for SP (sorry if I'm a hundred years late on this, maybe I am).
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> > > > Yes, Else, I'm afraid you are a hundred years late on this one. You seem to think that we're dealing with a science here. For every antidepressant listed in the PDR, you will see "'The mode of action of xxx is not well understood'. You can drop that "well". They don't even bother writing it down for herbs. We're not just talking dopamine or seratonin receptors here, we're talking D1, D2, D3, Dn, and S1, S2, Sn. The same for noradrenaline and the fifty other neurotransmitters that we know of, plus the hundred others that we don't know about. Ditto for which part of the brain we're talking about.. The name of The game is: If You Can Get It, And It Works, And The Good Effects Exceed the Bad Ones, Take It.
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> > > > What's good for Social Phobia? Some people use alcohol. Others use marijuana. Many use stimulants such as Ritalin, Adderall, Dexedrine, Desoxyn. Some use Valium, while others use Valium plus alcohol, and possibly toss in some marijuana. Celexa works for some people.
> > > > Others use Celexa plus Wellbutrin. Others swear, (at least for that evening) on Serzone and Neurontin, possibly with a little Desoxyn on the side. Opiates and their antagonists help many people. A lot of people just act the way they think they're supposed to act, and get by on that. You pay your money, or your insurance plan's money, and you take your chance. With a lot of homework and a good (open minded) physician, and some luck, the good days come to outnumber the bad ones. Here's to You, Kid!
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> > Desoxyn is still legal, but it seems that the media doesn't want
> > the public to understand that methamphetamine is not always
> > "the killer, Crystal Meth, which is destroying the brains of our youth".
> > It sells newspapers, spices up TV news, raises fear in the public,
> > stimulates the prison industry and the War on Drugs…
> > but I digress. We're all "looking for THE PERFECT DRUG or a combination of adequate ones."
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> > Elizabeth and I are trying buprenorphine, she for about 7 months I think, and me for about 2
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> > It looks like neither of us has crashed yet, and I'm feeling pretty good.
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