Posted by JGalt on November 13, 2001, at 23:23:21
In reply to Re: Yohimbine vs. dysthymia/depression » JGalt, posted by kitty-layne on November 13, 2001, at 18:52:18
> Could this be dangerous to someone already a stone below the bottom of the "normal" weight range for their height?The actual amount that it increases your metabolism (same w/ ephedrine) is fairly small, the weight loss comes mostly from appetite suppression. Appetite suppression is the simplest side effect in the world to combat. You just keep on eating even after the "hungry" light in your brain goes out.
> Is ephedrine likely to be as effective as yohimbine for what I'm considering using it for?
Here's my take on ephedrine, when taken without a tolerance. It gives more energy, increased level of happiness, increased motivation, increased sociability, slightly increased aggression that is more along the lines of increased drive and assertiveness, slightly increased appreciation of music (particularly fast music). Now after tolerance sets in you don't get the positive effects as much and the aggression part becomes more noticeable as you are now more irritable and get pissed off easier. Generally this won't occur with tolerance to lower dosage (when you achieve tolerance at lower doses you just have a little more energy than you normally would on a given day) and only occurs when you have achieved tolerance to a high level (125mgs+ a day). If you're alternating with yohimbine, it won't happen and you'll just experience the positive effects mostly. Ephedrine should be dosed 2-3 times daily, depending upon whether or not you suffer from insomnia. It is by far best taken on an empty stomach, or if nothing else not after you've had a lot of sugar.
> Other NRI's, such as?Well I would imagine effexor would not be pleasant, neither would rebotoxine. Anything other than a very low dose (ie, 2-4mg at most) of yohimbine while on 10mg of selegiline would probably also not be much fun.
> Does this mean it has a severe withdrawal syndrome?
Well, after maybe 8 hrs or so you'll feel yourself coming down from it, being less motivated than a few hrs ago, less energetic, and all...not lower than normal though...this is when you redose. If you take yohimbine one day and none the next you may be a little more tired, but not very much. If you're alternating with ephedrine and yohimbine, and you decided to stop both of them, you'd be best off doing it while doing the yohimbine. Gradually dose down over 2-3 days so as to have not withdraw problems. Ephedrine is a little harder to get off of, you will be more tired and less motivated the day after not taking ephedrine if you aren't alternating with yohimbine. Once while dieting down for a competition I was using rather high doses of ephedrine/caffeine and didn't have any yohimbine. When I got down to my target weight, I tried to stop the drugs cold turkey, I slept 16 hrs that day, 13 hrs the next, 10 the next, and then I was back to normal. Lesson to be learned, don't go cold turkey off abusive doses of ephedrine caffeine.
> What is considered a massive dosage?
For ephedrine, the FDA recommends not going over 125mgs/day...I agree. The people I've heard that died were trying 150-400mg single dose. Yohimbine I haven't heard of any deaths from but it has the same potential as with ephedrine, so I'd say trying to take 25mg in a single dose would probably be a recipe for getting a few feet closer to the core of the earth. I wouldn't try over 15mg in a single dose myself of it...I seriously doubt you'd need that much anyway. Start off with 2mg, go up by 1-2 mg's a time till you get where you want to be, alternating with ephedrine ever certain length of time. Ephedrine I imagine 12.5-40mg's/2-3 times a day will be what you want, probably closer to 20mg's a time.
> > The biggest thing I would worry about with you is an increase in anxiety.
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> I agree.So therefore don't buy much and keep dosages low...Don't purchase a gram of it until you know its right for you.
> I'll read it if you write it! I like to know as much as I can about meds before I take them now. I wasn't aware of AD withdrawal until I'd gone cold turkey twice. I had quite a serious experience the first time. Since then I've learned to respect drugs much more (more than the health professionals, anyway :-) ).
Good to hear that you like researching your meds, I believe everyone (obviously you too) has to take part in their own discovery of medical knowledge if they want the best treatment. There's plenty of info out there on yohimbine, though obviously I've already mentioned a lot...there's much more. If you use a search engine you'll likely come up with 765000 hits for products with the name "herbal viagra". Just don't get anything with yohimbe (as is in herbal viagra) and you should be fine. I cannot stress enough that you only want yohimbine hcl. Let us know if you give it a try.
Also, if you need a bulk supplier for yohimbine or ephedra if they work out for you and you want to go on them for longer term, let me know (I assume that's legal to say on here since I have no affiliation with any place I know that sells it, and yohimbine and ephedra area not scheduled drugs).JGalt
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