Posted by Krazy Kat on April 29, 2002, at 19:49:07
In reply to Re: Questions about *Alcoholism*kk, posted by Phil on April 29, 2002, at 18:12:19
>> You think the term alcoholism is bad, grow up with drunks. Do you have any idea what a low bottom drunk is, my mom was, it's incredibly painful to watch.
=== phil - no, i only grew up with some people who drank too much. but i still have a problem with the term, "alcoholics". some people whom you call "drunks" can be very easy to deal with - i have seen that. people can also be very abusive when they don't drink a drop.
> If you have a parent that's alcoholic, or uncle, etc. you have a 4 times greater risk of becoming one yourself.
=== i would guess that's genetics...> And, believe me, it ain't as simple as,'gone too far, just get help-doesn't have to be AA.' That is naive and bad information.
=== why are you still posting so unsupportively? i am not naive on this issue. i don't like AA - that's my opinion. there are plenty of secular and other support groups out there.
>> People who drink too much, especially on top of mental-illness, are one day going to see a pit so deep they might not get out. I've seen it many times.
== isn't this generalizing? they may live to be 90 +years old like Bob Hope and George Burns. How about Frank Sinatra - those guys drank like "fish". they also smoked incessantly. those are just innocent examples - there may be better.
> If you are to the point of trying to drink less or counting your drinks, or stopping for a month just to see if you can, you already have a problem. This is my opinion but I have been around more drunks than you can shake a stick at.
> Take what you like and leave the rest.== I'm tired of reading what are "abusive" posts from you, phil, and being told to take what you like and leave the rest. once they're read, the concept's locked in your mind.
== you exemplified exactly what i was saying - that you "Feel" i already have a problem. some people Can cut back and drink "moderately" after drinking heavily for years. I'VE seen that.
== and when you're trying to cut back on stress, so that you don't have more episodes and a more difficult life, it can be easier to give yourself some room sometimes instead of getting obsessive and overly conservative about it.
== By the way, i find the term "drunks" offensive. the same way someone overweight would find "fatty" offensive. It's out-of-date and pious.
== and further, since, i'm still reeling and crying from an earlier post (not yours) -- i'm tired of the info i'm getting here and the reactions to my attempts to be supportive, offer perhaps different views, and get support, AND learn from my mistakes so i do a better job.
== i don't want to relinquish my place here, so to speak, but i'm going to have to. it's just not the same. everyone's defensive, the "leader" doesn't seem concerned that a member of his group is gone forever...
== i'm terrified - this has been one of the only places at times that kept me here...
- kk.
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