Posted by Larry Hoover on November 25, 2002, at 9:05:19
In reply to Re: Lipoic acid Network Anti-Oxidants -- » Larry Hoover, posted by johnj on November 24, 2002, at 21:44:41
> Larry,
> I was hoping to ask you a question and if you have any ideas maybe you could point me in the right direction. I have depression that was followed by a panic attack about 10 years ago. About a year after a bout of pnuemonia I began another workout regime. Just jogging lightly and increasing weekly. The 4th week my sleep became disrupted I was dizzy and somewhat spacey during the day. Almost felt like I had a hangover.The effects you note are not dissimilar to side-effects reported for those meds. Did you consider adjusting dose, or timing of dose?
Also, electrolyte disturbances seem a possibility. Did you ensure that your were properly hydrated with something like a 'sports drink'? I'm thinking Gatorade, as an example. It contains potassium and sodium that are lost via sweating.
> I am on nortryptline 50 mg, some lithium to boost the AD, and 15 mg of tranzene. My doc doesn't see any connection between working out and my eventual mood disruption.
Well, you're the expert on your own body. I think you know there is a link.
>I have tested this numerous times and it the same thing starts to happen. I was studying for an exam and did not work out or walk much more 3 weeks and I felt my best!(slept great too) I had a complete physical workup a year ago and no problems, just a high pulse rate.
Nortripyline is associated with a high pulse rate.
>Through this sight I have found a few people with the same exact problem, but I have no idea what is going on. I feel like I should get stable and while I practice some yoga and meditation get off the TCA. Have you ever heard of such a med causing a paradox?
All meds are associated with paradoxical reactions. When you exercise, you fundamentally change the way your body supplies energy to the muscles. Your liver is involved, and I'm really not that knowledgeable about exercise physiology. I suggest you ask around at a gymnasium for ideas. You don't have to get into meds with them. You're interested in how your body reacts to training.
>Also since fish oil was a no go for me, I was looking at trying to optimize my health with some vitamins. I saw that you had some personal recommendations. Could you pass those on.
Geez, that's a big topic. There are so many nutrients to consider. One of the big things I do is I try to change one thing in my diet at a time. I want to know what that change does or does not do to me.
The core would have to be water-soluble nutrients, and minerals. These are essential for your enzymes to work right. For example, vitamin C. It is necessary to activate folic acid. You can have lots of folate in your diet, and it will do you no good without vitamin C. C is also essential for the transformation of amino acids into neurotransmitters. There are so many things to consider taking.....
B-complex (always supplement the B's together....they're together for a reason)...I suggest B-100 daily, plus added B-12 1,000 mcg/day.
Vitamin C.....2,000 mg/day, or more, as tolerated.
Minerals: zinc 40 mg/day. selenium 200 mcg/day. This on top of a multi-mineral tablet. Magnesium 200-600 mg/day (start low, and build).
That's the core idea.
>I am trying to get things as best as I can and then hit my pdoc with the suggestion to cut down the TCA. I would like to know more about supplements for panic/anxiety disorder.
Here, you're probably going to benefit from phospholipids. Soya lecithin is a good source of three of the four major phospholipids. I prefer the granules, which are available at health food stores. Six teaspoons, straight up. They have a pleasant nutty flavour. If they taste/smell weird, they're rancid. Don't eat rancid lecithin. The missing phospholipid is phosphatidylserine (PS). It is generally synthesized from soya lecithin, and costs a good deal more. However, it is the most important of the four. Each is not only a membrane constituent (which combines with fish oil in neuron membranes), but is also a signalling compound in its own right. PS is generally soothing. 200 mg/day
Magnesium will also help with the panic reaction.
>Sorry to hit you with so much, but it seems you are well versed and I am a little confused right know. Thank you very much
> johnjIf people find what I have to say useful, then great. Just remember to treat a supplement trial as an experiment. Consciously think to yourself, "OK, let's see what 200 mg of phosphatidylserine does." That kind of thing. Try things. Pay attention to the result. If you're not sure, stop taking it and see what happens (that's a new experiment in itself). Go back on it. Your body may or may not react to something that I do react to. Unless you've got oodles of money for lab tests, and a doctor who'll help you with that all, you're left with doing nutrient trials to see what helps your body work better. Maybe you *don't* need magnesium, but maybe you *do*.
Medical science, particulary Western medicine, does not consider nutrition as a treatment beyond avoiding deficiency states. The RDA (recommended daily allowance) is set to prevent 99% of people from having overt deficiency disease. There is *no consideration* of what the optimal intake would be. Nor does the medical establishment much consider interactions between nutrients.
I, personally, am doing way better today than I was five years ago, in my humble opinion, because my tortured stressed damaged body has been receiving enough nutrients to work better, helping my mind work better. Your brain/body may vary.
Lar
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