Posted by samplemethod on June 4, 2003, at 0:22:20
In reply to Re: Larry/John, Zinc/Selenium/Vitamin C questions » McPac, posted by Larry Hoover on June 3, 2003, at 8:16:26
Let me say I think I have over done it on the zinc, (or it could be my mag tabs, or my vit e caps)
Anyway, Im thinking it must be that I have taken to much zinc, cos when I take these 3 supps,( and basically these are the only ones Ive been taking recently), I get a really foggy head, with pressure in my temples and frontal brain, and over I tell you I dont feel good and pretty tired too. It might also be the aspartate form of mag i have in my mag aspartate, mag glycinate mixture.
But I just wanna know if anyone has these symptoms when they take too much of one of these supps i mention above.
> > I went on to the website of the Pfeiffer Institute and found one thing very interesting. The mention of choline and inoistol as potentially harmful for two types of depression
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> > >>>>Pfeiffer has me on inositol (hard to say the effect though)
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> > and if you are of the Pyroluri subtype omega 3's might be harmful. I get very spaced on cod liver oil.
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> > >>>>>>>>>>>This is VERY interesting to me!!! I have noticed that ever since I started taking fish oil that I have been in 'space' so much that I should be an astronaut! This REALLY makes me wonder....Lar, have you come across anything regarding fish oil causing spaciness/"brain fog"?
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> Seems far better than anxiety, non? It could be a temporary dampening of some neurotransmitter effects, or it could be long term. Rather than worrying about that result (which seems pretty anti-stress), I'd be looking to sharpen my thinking....NADH, TMG, DLPA do it for me.
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> > > If a person takes zinc do you have to be careful of copper depletion?
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> > Yes. Zinc blocks copper uptake. Zinc for five days, copper for two, would absolutely cover it. But, with the high number of homes with copper pipes, I don't know whether supplemental copper is necessary. I'll come back to you on that.
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> > >>>>>>>>>Lar, I tested VERY high for copper (ceruloplasmin levels....33% free copper, whereas Pfeiffer told me that they like to see it under 10% in people). When I looked up Copper Toxicity on-line and read the effects of it, I have to say that it was DEAD-ON as to so many of my problems. I was zinc deficient also.
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> That goes together, absolutely. Zinc supply is really the controlling variable. I really don't think low copper can be a problem, unless you never take a zinc holiday.
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> >Anyway, I've been on Zinc supp's daily for about 6 months now (85 mg/day) with NO copper supplementation (NO copper supp's but I get it in food obviously)
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> Make sure you get retested when you go back to Pfeiffer.
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> > If there is a Pfeiffer-style place around, I couldn't afford it. I'm my own Pfeiffer, I guess.
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> > >>>>>>John/Lar---Pfeiffer has a 'charitable fund' and someone can get a LARGE portion of their initial visit paid for IF FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE and IF you qualify, fwiw....you may be able to go there for cheaper than you think
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> Travel and accomodation cost alone make it prohibitive.
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> > Fingers crossed on the anti-crash program.
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> > >>>>>>>Lar, is the 'crashing' you get strictly exhaustion/fatigue? or is it more depression? Take care!
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> This requires a little explaining. I was first diagnosed with chronic fatigue in 1990. I was so bad, I couldn't walk to the mailbox at the end of the drive (65 feet), without resting along the way.
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> When I had my massive depressive thing hit in 1996, all the symptoms I experienced were (reasonably, I guess) attributed to depression. Massive fatigue, low tolerance for exertion, blah blah. For years, that was a big part of my struggle, and we never found meds that helped with all my symptoms, or that I could even tolerate. (St. John's wort was really cool for a while, but that's another story.)
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> Because the meds didn't solve my problems, I started looking at nutrition. I already knew there was something amiss there.....I hypothesized a sub-clinical malabsorption syndrome as a major factor in my health problems.
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> Over time, I pretty much stabilized my mood with nutritional support. But the fatigue/low exertion threshold was still a problem. So, this wasn't really a part of the depression after all, but a comorbid syndrome. And CFS seems to cover it. Now, CFS can remit and relapse. And the symptoms don't have to be exactly the same with each relapse. It serves as a good model for treatment considerations, in any case. The problem with CFS is the excessive fatigue "rebound" following exertion.
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> One of the treatment models I use includes a metaphorical "fingers of the hand" exertion/rest schedule. For each period of exertion (the finger), you need an equivalent period of rest (the space between the fingers). It may seem counter-intuitive to promote exertion at all, given the rebound phenomenon, but the desire is to increase tolerance to exertion over an extended time course.
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> So, when I first thought myself able to try some work, I managed one or two or three days scattered over a one month period. Later, I tried two or three consecutive days, and scattered singles. Later, a full week. My rest periods were sometimes quite lengthy, particularly if I had over-estimated my tolerance. I came up with a ratio: for every day I worked past my tolerance for work, I required an extra ten days rest. So, I had to be careful.
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> For the last year and a half, I've been doing a one month on, one month off pattern, but I seldom fill up the entire month on. The last two work periods, I did fill it up. 60-70 hour weeks, four weeks straight. And with the NADH no collapse.
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> My symptoms during the crash are massive fatigue, apathy, cognitive decline, poor memory, headaches, irritability, some mood decline. It's a gradual fall, each day worse than the previous one, over perhaps twenty days, then a much more rapid recovery rate, over a week. That pattern has existed for a very long time. To have a new pattern appear makes me cautiously optimistic.
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> Lar
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