Posted by John1022 on October 6, 2003, at 13:38:57
In reply to suggestions » John1022, posted by Eddie Sylvano on October 6, 2003, at 13:13:59
Thanks Eddie.
> Lastly, what does it mean for your sleep to "trigger?" Are you saying that you don't get sleepy/fall asleep, or that your sleep isn't useful/rewarding.
I don't fall asleep. I feel tired, but I lay down, become less tired and then I simply just cannot fall asleep. My thoughts start racing and I can only describe it as something not triggering. I try to relax and deep breathe, but something is just not working.
I have never had sleep problems when I am not having this problem. I have always slept like a champ, with no interuptions and have always fallen asleep the second my head hits the pillow and usually before 11:00 pm and never wake up again until 7-8 am throughout the night.
When I have this problem, I can lay there until the sunrises and I won't go to sleep. When I have this problem and take 5HTP, I instantly fall asleep.
As mentioned from a post below, I am almost thinking the AD's and Effexor are sqeazing a rock that is already dry, meaning I am not producing sufficient amounts of seretonin to begin with so when an SNRI or other AD trys to prohibit the re-uptake, there is nothing there to prohibit making all of these problems much worse.
Meaning when I am on AD's, the sleep problem gets much worse and it becomes hard to stay asleep on even Lorazapam. When on the AD's, I am able to fall asleep but I wake up many times throughout the night and have horrible nightmares and dreams even when I take the Lorazapam.
If I only take Lorazapam and when I am off the AD's, I have no dreams or nightmares that I remeber and sleep perfectly the whole night without ever waking up once.
Whereas if I take a Lorazapam when I am off the AD's (because I still cannot fall asleep), I stay knocked out all night and don't wake up until I have had a full 8 hours of sleep.
> tianeptine would help. It has the opposite effect on serotonin (enhances reuptake).
That sounds like an interesting suggestion and might go along with the idea of squeezing a dry rock for water (SSRI's prohibiting uptake of seretonin when it is just not there in sufficient amounts)
But I am a little worried about that because that is the same mechanism that causes the drug effects of exstacy (causing a large release of seretonin, then afterwards a serious depletion)
I am beginning to think I am a medical annamoly and that 5HTP might be my last hope. And it did seem to work the short period I was on it for sleep, anxiety and my "off" feeling before my doctor told me not to take it and to try the AD's.
Any other suggestions? This board is wonderful. Thanks for all of the help. I hope everyone with problems including myself gets better and can get there life back to normal. God bless
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