Posted by cybercafe on December 15, 2003, at 9:12:33
In reply to Re: Zyprexa Abilify cancel each other?, posted by hawkeye on December 14, 2003, at 16:52:29
> I'm no psychopharmacologist, BUT it seems to me that in using the two together, the Zyprexa would defeat the unique "partial agonist" mechanism of Abilify.
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> Abilify acts as a weak stimulator (so-called "partial" agonist) at dopamine D2 receptors, with the potential for exerting either antagonistic (inhibitory) or agonistic (stimulating) effects, depending on the sensitivity of the receptors and availability of dopamine, its natural agonist in the brain. [Abilify also has similar actions at serotonin 5-HT1A receptors, as well as acting as an antagonist at serotonin 5-HT2A receptors, and having a number of other lesser actions.]
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> In other words, partial agonism refers to the ability of a drug to block a receptor if it is overstimulated or in competition with a natural agonist, such as dopamine and serotonin themselves, but also to stimulate a receptor when the natural agonist is unavailable. These are unprecedented properties in a clinically effective antipsychotic agent.
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> Zyprexa acts as a full agonist at the D2 recptor. Therefore, it would seem that any advantages offered by Abilify's partial agonist mechanism would be drowned by Zyprexa's full agonist mechanism.
if you are SZ and have way too much dopamine hitting your receptors, zyprexa would block some of the receptors and abilify would block others (or partially agonize) no? depending on the dosehowever taking the two together does certainly not mean you are going to lose all (any?) AP activity.... in large doses (which i don't think sebastian is taking), either the over active receptors are going to be blocked by zyprexa or by abilify ....... but they will be blocked and therepeutic effects will be seen
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