Posted by ace on May 27, 2004, at 23:03:30
In reply to Attn ACE: Nardil S/E, posted by amdew717 on May 27, 2004, at 11:17:47
> Ace,
> I'm a 50 year old guy, and I have also been helped by Nardil more than any other AD I've taken...Nardil is great isn't it?!!
and I've taken quite a few, but I recently tried to go back on it and even after ONE day at 15 mg, I had the same side effects that caused me to go off of it 6 mos ago:
This can be a GOOD sign....You have developed immunity to the side effects, and, therefore, the AD quality you experienced before will come back!!
I have seen the reverse happen- some people go back on Nardil experience no s/effects and then have to double the dose to regain their previous AD effect. I am speculating a bit here but!
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> 1) Waking up after 5 hours and not being able to return to sleepOK. Lets sort this out. This can be very easily treated with safe effective medication. My suggestions...
1. Before bed add 15mg Remeron
2. Before bed take Melatonin
3. Before bed add 1-2gram L-Tryptophan
4. Before bed add 5-10mg Nitrazepam
5. Before bed add 5-10 mg Valium
6. Before bed add 25-50mg Seroquel (this is an antipsychotic, but at that dose, which is EXTREMELY SMALL, you will have sedation, but probably no other s/effects.
7. Before bed, add 2.5-5mg Zyprexa (see above about Seroquel)> 2) Inability to have an orgasm.
Try the following
1. Bethenachol
2. Cyproheptadine
3. Remeron may help with both probsI know there is many more, but all my research is at home and im at university! sorry!
> I've read some of your posts and don't recall if you mentioned having these problems.I had orgasmic problems BIG TIME for a long time. Bethenachol and Lithium helped. But eventually the ability to orgasm came back. Now im on 105mg Nardil and can orgasm easily.
But if you have, how do you deal with them? I've been taking 1600 mg Neurontin for about 3 years and even that doesn't seem to allow me to sleep all the way through.I tried Neurontin- it didn't have much of a sedative effect for me.
I've asked him to put me on Klonopin (which I've taken in the past from another doc without any problem) but he refuses, claiming it's addictive.Find a new doctor. Im sick to death of hearing people speak only of the negatives of Benzo's and ignore the positives. And it IS NOT ADDICTIVE FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF USERS. When you finish it, you taper off it slow and their is usually no problems. People can become medically dependant on it, but this is not congruent with the term 'addiction'.
I never felt the need to increase my dosage of Klonopin the whole time I was on it, but I guess that doesn't mean anything to him.That's a sure sign youre NOT addicted!!! Loose this guy in my opinion. Find another MD!
Also tried Trazadone but the priapism was too much for me.You had a sustained erection (Thats priapism isn't it?)? Did it help you orgasm?
Regarding the sexual problems...I have no clue as to what to do other than give it up. It seems the older I get, the less patience I have with the side effects.
Don't!! I will get some more references and try to find an antidote. Please be patient. You deserve to enjoy life, just as we all do.
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> It was not my intention to exclude other members here, and I welcome anyone else's input but I just wanted to make sure I also heard from Ace, since "you ARE the Champion of Nardil," and I'd like to be one too!
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> Thanks, JimI am forever the Nardil champion!!! Nardil has saved my life from being a life of misery...
Take Care Jim!Ace.
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