Posted by willyee on March 7, 2005, at 18:40:30
In reply to Re: Xyrem (GHB) experiences?, posted by Phillipa on March 7, 2005, at 17:36:30
> I heard it was a date-rape drug. Fondly, Phillipa
Come on,dont tell me your that easly prone to media hype.GHB is gamma-hydroxide-butryric acid excuse my spelling.
It delievers gaba to the brain,supplmental gaba does not cross easly,this has a hydroxide added to bring it through to the brain.
It is similiar to any sedating gaba med,i.e Nuerontin,gabatril etc.
The date rape histeria was started so the then Natural and LEGAL substance could be banned.
See normaly there is a process to undergo to ban a diet supplment,the only way to bypass this for immediate removal is to show it presents an immediate danger.Thus the date rape campaign began.
Why??.....well to give you insight,the FDA approached orphan medical with arm twisting to undergo getting this med in a prescription form,which it is.GHB when legal went for less than one doller a gram,now xyrem,which is absolutly nothing more than prescription GHB cost close to 500 dollers.
Now were their date rape cases,yess,were there an epidemic,no.Most people have never even come in contact with this rare drug,let alone was it ever a popular "date rape drug".
It is a potent sedative,so of course mixing it in a drink would create a date rape potion,but then again so would crushed benzos,alcholol alone is one of the most potent date rape drugs itself.
I dont see how its the substance,when the individual chooses to take it into a bar,etc and do something illegal WITH IT.
GHB increases gaba,and surpresses dopamine,however releases its store of dopamine so upon wakinging there is a stimulant effect,opposed to the grogginess of sleeping pills.It also aids in protein synthesis,serontion absorbation,and a lot of other aspects of the brain.
It was a script med in gemrany called gamma-oh used to treat alcholoism,has been used to treat benzo withdrawal,anxiety,depression etc.It also is an EXTREMLY POWERFUL sexual aid,increasing erection time and performance in males,and increasing intensity of orgasim and added inhibition in woman.
It is excreted through the urine as h20.Now the danger.......well ghb is potent at getting to the brain,and one thing about it is its dose curve,you have to be extremly responable in taking it.You have to start small and move slow,other wise a dose such as 2.5 grams can do nothing,and 2.8 could get you sedated.
With the potent dosing response,it can become a drug of abuse very quickly,however many many many people used it responably for years,and now are left in ruins since it was banned.
And yess it is banned,in every country.There was a MAJOR MAJOR bust the week of xyrems arrival on the market,and all underground suppliers got busted.There are a few ground dwellers around,however an overwhemling majority of them will either steal your money,send you something else other than ghb,or worst case and most common be a cop and land you in jail.
Unless you are a veteran and have a known realiable safe source, i would not recomend getting it through any solications from any groups emails etc.......not now it is no longer safe,and rare anyone who has it would need to find people to sell too,if they had it they would already have their clients.
Last before its asked,yess ghb is illegal in every country,every one.GBL its precursor is illegal or scheldued in just about every country,there are a few it is not,however getting caught oredring that is worse in some cases than the actual product.
It is a medical drug so perhaps asking a neuroloigist to prescribe it is an option.....however if it is a script med,deemed safe for ingestion by the fda,then no one with any argument can tell me that it is a "poison".
First the chemistry of it shows it to be non toxic,second like i said it is a script drug,to argue that simple fact would be the same people who would not do a single thing unless their doc knew,and would eat horse shi if their doc adivised.
Media hype,look at kava,notice there are no more wanring lables,know why??? The results came in and it was NOT in anyway linked to liver toxcity,did the fda make that widly known,no.The damge was already done,the word went out,the labels went on,the people stopped buying,and the companys stopped making it.
Now a once effective anxiety herb used by many went from being offered by tons of retailers such as ghb,to now being available by a less than ahandful as everyone stoppped making it,and nieave poeple still link it to liver problems when a simple search will show it was evaluted by two insitutions and they COULD NOT link it in any way.FDA looking out for our health,ah got go to the store and get some cigarettes with over 90 plus toxins that the govt deems safe enough to be legal and over tha counter.Go figure.
GHB was,and is a great tool,an incredable option for anxiety that most people will never have the pleausre of knowing.
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