Posted by KayeBaby on July 5, 2007, at 17:00:53
In reply to Re: dextroamphetamine causing depression? » KayeBaby, posted by revaaron on July 3, 2007, at 11:09:53
> Kaye- again, thanks! It's just about 11 AM, and today we're back to how it all started out, and how I hoped it would stay. After seeing the rather dramatic effects of first the 5-HTP supplement and now the L-tyrosine and I can't help but if dextroamphetamine is directly responsible for depleting stores of at least dopamine, norepinephrine and serotonin. I also can't help but wonder how much this knowledge would help other people, how many doctors know it, etc.
**My eyes were opened to this and I have been thrilled to know that we have such safe and effective ways to help ourselves. I think of doctors as being the fix-it men. In situations of acute health problems run to them. Healing comes from ourselves, nutritionist and other "alternative" practitioners. A good basic book on the subject...I can't remember the name right now. I'll look it up.> Anyway, I took both the magnesium and the L-tyrosine, so I can't pin-point one of them as being responsible, but I'd put my money on the L-tyrosine. In addition to the dextroamphetamine working like I wanted to in terms of working memory, focus and attentiveness I've seen the elimination of another annoying thing that has popped up, which I thought was just a side effect of stims- sleep problems.
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> Before the dex, as long as I had no overriding sleep defecit I was awake and felt rested after 7-9 hours of sleep. When I started on the dex, that continued, but around the time the more desirable effects of the dex were starting to diminish, I began to have trouble getting out of bed. I would awake much fuzzier and still tired than I did before I started the dex. I've not had any problems getting to sleep, staying asleep or getting enough sleep since starting the dex- it's not kept me up, I don't take it in the evening, etc. Caffeine intake has gone down rather than up. But I'd wake up, feel tired (even when I wasn't sleepy anymore), and it improved a little when I got 12 hours of sleep one night, but I still wasn't as sharp as I was before dex. Taking my AM dose helped but the effect wasn't as pronounced as it was in the past at making me feel awake.
>**Take at least 2000 mg of Vitamin C at the end of your day and see if this doesn't help. Not during the day or it will cause the Dex to be excreted rapidly and not work.
> ...but this morning, I woke up after 8 hours rather like I used to- my eyes snap open, I stretch, and I'm awake. I could force myself back to sleep, but you can feel it when you've had enough. And today, unlike every other day for the last couple weeks, I awoke awake and rested rather than fatigued. An amazing feeling.
>**Great! Don't underestimate that mag. It does a lot of good on many levels. At least for me.
Make sure you are getting soem zinc too. This stuff has a definate effect on mood and energy for me. I believe it is a necessary addition to stims.
> In the last couple weeks, I've also had an increased craving for drugs, started consuming caffeine again, been eating crappier food, and even missed a couple days at the gym.
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> So, I'm thinking the dex killed my dopamine/norepinephrine reserves, which would certainly affect everything I listed.
>**Excellent observation. I'll bet you are on to something.
> L-tyrosine is an amino acid; the body needs it (or phenylalanine?) to make dopamine and norepinephrine... My positive reaction to L-tyrosine could have to do my brain/body chemistry but it seems just as likely that I'm not eating enough L-tyrosine-containing foods. What gets me is that this is considered "alternative," and ignored by many doctors and overly pushed by (often flaky) "natural health"-types. Hopefully one day they'll synthesize the two in a scientific way- get rid of the closed minds, but also the flakes I say. Anyway, I'm ranting rather than working, so I'm out for now!
>**Our medical system is becoming more and more pharmecuetical driven to our detriment. Cheap, effective, safe nutritional therapies have no place in this system.
In fact, look for our access to be compromised more and more as pharm co's become more powerful. We need to be very vigilant on this count.
> I owe you a beer/coffee, Kaye!
> revaaron
Not at all. You have made my day with your enthusiastic feedback!Kaye
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