Posted by UGottaHaveHOPE on October 1, 2007, at 22:01:54
In reply to Re: Nardil Q for Jedi » UgottaHaveHope, posted by Jedi on October 1, 2007, at 13:17:39
Jedi:
No, youre not rambling at all. You are sharing very valuable info for me and many others either taking or considering taking Nardil. On behalf of all, I appreciate it.
Im taking 50-100mg of Seroquel and 2-3mg of Klonopin. Whats interesting about the Seroquel is that the less I take, the more I feel it.
Right now, however, I am still peaking with anxiety so nothing is really working. As I may have mentioned I dropped from 45 to 15mg for most of the summer without telling my pdoc, just not a good decision by me.
I have gone from 15 to 45mg for the last two weeks and am wondering how long it will take it kick in? I weigh around 210 lbs. and have asked my pdoc if I should be taking more, but he's staying at 45 for the time being.
Yes, that's what I was wondering. How long did it take for the doses to kick for you each time? Thanks, Michael @ sportscarvell@yahoo.com
> Michael,
> I believe that when I first started Nardil that 60mg was my target dose, but that was eleven years ago. As I remember as I raised the dosage to 90mg the side effects increased for a time and then subsided. I've been off Nardil four times in this eleven year period, and have had to go back on each time because of the return of chronic atypical depression.
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> Each time it would take a while to get used to the side effects again. I have not had the hypomania and associated euphoria since the first couple of times I started Nardil. The delayed ejaculation has returned each time I have stopped and restarted. It never completely goes away but does get better with time. The orthostatic hypertension that I had eleven years ago, when I first started the medication, has not returned.
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> The carb cravings and associated weight gain have been and probably always will be a struggle for me. At one point I had gained over 100 pounds from the Nardil and atypical depression. I went from doing ironman events at about 205 to being sick with pneumonia at 310. At this point I started strenuous exercise and dropped to about 235. I have gained some of that back and am about 265 now. This is the reason for my relatively high dosage of Nardil. I hope to get back to the gym this winter to drop some of that weight. I could probably be at 105 or 120mg of Nardil with no problem. 265 lbs. divided by 2.2 equals 120mg, using the formula for finding the Nardil affective dose.
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> At my weight I am considered morbidly obese by my BMI numbers. But actually for a fat guy, I'm in pretty good physical shape. Nardil helps lower my borderline high BP, I'm the only one in my family that is not on medication for hypertension (father, mother, two sisters, and a brother). My lipids are low. I take 1080mg of EPA and 720mg of DHA on a daily basis. The data for the benefit of these fatty acids on cardiovascular health is becoming overwhelming.
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> Like I've written in other posts, I would rather be fat and free of major depression than thin and sick. There is nothing worse than being depressed for months or years on end; lying on the floor in a fetal position with no hope and wanting to die.
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> The other side effect from Nardil is the insomnia, which I control with 50mg of Seroquel and sometimes 25mg of diphenhydramine(Benadryl).
> The Seroquel made me really groggy in the morning at first, but this has passed.
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> My daytime tiredness has greatly decreased since cutting my dosage of clonazepam from 2mg to .5mg daily. I eventually want to cut the benzos out completely. I hope that this will help my memory loss also. Seems to be mostly short term memory that is the problem. I can remember things I learned in school 30 years ago, but finding my keys that I put down 5 minutes ago is a problem.
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> Sorry for rambling.
> Be well,
> Jedi
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