Posted by Nardilstarted2007 on November 14, 2007, at 21:15:17
In reply to Re: Start slow despite package insert indications (nm) » JohnSky, posted by Nardilstarted2007 on November 14, 2007, at 21:00:29
Hi John more of the 0.0001 population here, I just joined, and everyone else on the maoi thread! Im new here but have been reading 100's, maybe even a thousand posts before I signed up. It will be great to share my expeariences with you guys as I've read sooo many post and knew it was time time sign up.. Anyway, I hope this thread is still alive! I started Nardil oct 10 2000 and was SO DESPERATE for it to kick in, in the soonest possible time that I took charge myslf (as I have for years because I, m sick of using meds that dont work, and I'm to the point that I will just about do anything) anyway I got my bottle of 100 Nardil and took 60mgs the fist day, then 75 the second day (1mg/kg) I figured that I would try hard and tolerate the side effects without titrating in hopes to get the full maoi inhibition as fast as possible and for results as fast as possible. Nardil doesn't really start to work for most people until 80% maoi inhibition, and then you have to wait the 2 - 8 weeks for it to kick in. so I wanted maoi inhibition right away! so I didnt have to wast my time titrationg, then waiting. Im trying to finish school this semester and if nardil doesn't kick in by 6 weeks a bit more , Im screwed. So thats why I srarted at 75 immediately (crazy? yes indeed, I know but I was, and still am desperate for a normal life and to finish school. Im definately not saying to start out at a high dose, not at all. I just want to tell you what happened.
- 1 st day at 60, nothin
- 2nd day at 75, tired, dizzy(different then ssri dizzy), arms and legs felt weak
- 3rd same
- day 5 somewhat blurred vision, but not much, still the same side effects as day two. I knew maoi inhibition was not yet very high as I could orgasm fine and eat anything on the restricted list.
-Day 7 I believe I hit 80% maoi inhibition because I couldn't orgasm, urinary retention, small hints of hypermania lasting only a few minutes a couple times a day, I felt my heart pound if I ate the wrong food, (I was trying the restricted food like raisins in small amounts and cheese in small amounts (i was testing my body to see where I was at, Not safe I dont suggest anyone do what I did)-week 2 Nothing changed except the introduction of very dizzy upon standing up, same other side effects as week 1.
-week 3 I noticed a small increase in mood and anti anxiety effcts, with all side effects still annoying me.
week 3.5 - I noticed a drastic decrease in anxiety and depression almost gone, with slight hypomania (talking on msn to 4 people at once really fast) So I knew it was kicking in because this was lasting all day and not just little bursts that I get with placebo induced thoughts from old times when ssri's worked a little. Side effects diminished alot. only had, urinary retention, and dizzyness upon standing up, Also I must follow the dietary restrictions pretty closely or I get a pounding heart, and one time a headache (this was ocurring from Raisin bran, if I took the big raisins out I was fine)
-week 4 Im feeling the same but with sever constipation(im on 2 stool softerners which help and get me by ok, some urinary retaention left, and I have insomnia, and dizzyness upon standing up. Anxiety in social places is almost completely gone YA! but I still cant give a presentation, but I did put up my hand and give an example without having a Panick Attack, Yep, pretyy positive so far at 4 weeks.
4.5 weeks (today) pretty sever insomnia at night(very actually, but I still lie there) but I can nap in the afternoon for 3 hrs. constipation would be present if I wasn't taking 2 differt kinds of stool softeners 2x a day (tolerable and quite common with Nardil), Dizzyness upon standing up(probably will never go away while on nardil), cant orgasm (tolerable but upsetting as I know that I wouldn't be able to have s*x with a girl without explaining something of why I cant finish, but erection are good and I still have a sex drive.So I believe after the maoi enzymes were inhibited in me by the first week at 75mg's/day devided 30 in morning, thirty in afternoon and 15 at evening it took 2 weeks after that to start working (making a total of 3 weeks, and 3.5 weeks to start working good) It could work better I am sure and within a couple more weeks I wonder if it will kick in even more, I will ask that on a new post soon. I didn't have any anxiety upon starting, except I could get embaressed that I was fatigued, slow, and dizzy, so I had to hide that.
Super sorry for such a long post but its my first one ever so I just gaver. anyway thats my experience starting right off the bat at 75mg's and im 170 lbs, and its working and I seem to have tolerable side effects, oh and I gaind 4 lbs, and I crave food and smokes even tho ive never smoked in my life and im 22. at 4.5 weeks.
Hope to hear back from someone. I'll post my story of how I got here on a new thread in a couple days. Im not a maniac for starting so high, But was so desperate, I had a pantic attick the week before that left me hiding in he woods. I would have failed everything if I didnt get this med working ASAP, so I did it, unsafely. But I will update you all soon to compare my life and how it was woth it to start this med unsafely for ME. Thankyou all.
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