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Re: Nardil Stop + Seroquel-xr , Need help!!! » Vincent_QC

Posted by bleauberry on December 8, 2008, at 15:36:02

In reply to Nardil Stop + Seroquel-xr , Need help!!!, posted by Vincent_QC on December 8, 2008, at 12:42:45

It sounds like you are not from USA? Can you get Amisulpride or Sulpiride? I would give those a good look at a dosage of 100mg to 400mg. They stimulate dopamine at low doses, block it at high doses, and a mix of both at medium doses. Being comfortable in a crowd is a common thing they do.

I wouldn't try to think too much about the dopamine thing. I can tell you are scared of that. Those drugs work different than the other dopamine things you have tried. And they are specific for dopamine. Things are too complicated to predict from sitting in a chair thinking about it.

There are other odd drugs to try that can work. Don't spend much time thinking about how they work, just know that they can work. Low dose Naltrexone (1.5mg to 4.5mg at 9pm to 11pm each night, not the 50mg usually used for treating addicts); Serzone; I might mention Mirtazapine but I have doubts about it in your case; Pramipexole; Abilify.

Depakote, Lithium, Lamictal...all good possibilities, but they have a fairly good chance of dulling your cognition. I remember a person here earlier this year who was on a very high dose of Klonopin with no relief. Started taking Lithium and had remarkable improvement so that the Klonopin was hardly needed anymore. This was after failing all kinds of other common drugs.

It might help also to just accept that we are all different. Some people are happy bouncy life-of-the-party; some are quiet in the corner; some prefer to be around people; some prefer to be alone. Rather than trying to want to be somebody else, somebody you were not born to be, accept the way you are and live your life in a way that fits that...for example, a job that is not surrounded by people, not going to crowded places, and such. I am not at all suggesting to just give up and live with it. I am saying keep looking for the right meds but at the same time lower your goals to something that is a compromise between where you are now and where you wish you could be. That way, when a med does finally work good, you will surpass your goals and be even happier than you planned on.

I say, when logical meds don't work, then look at illogical ones that don't make much sense. All too often I have seen people find miraculous cures with meds that usually have nothing to do with their supposed diagnosis. Don't worry about whether they are supposed to work for your symptoms or not. Things are too complicated to figure that out. All the drugs mentioned above are worth looking at and have indeed worked for your symptoms in other people. Here they are again:
Amisulpride, Sulpiride, Lithium, Lamictal, Depakote, Serzone, Klonopin, Low Dose Naltrexone, Abilify, Pramipexole.

You might also find that a mixture of low doses of several might be best. A tiny bit of a ssri, a tiny bit of a benzo, a tiny bit of a abilify or amisulpride, a tiny bit of one or two of the 3 mood stabilizers. The synergistic action of them can be more powerful than high doses of any one or two of them. But in a mix like that, stay below the normal doses. Let small amounts doing lots of different things work in harmony. Too many drugs with too much dose is just a real drugged feeling and you don't know what is doing what.

For the natural side of things, try taking magnesium supplements. Either magnesium citrate, magnesium taurate, or magnesium glycinate. Get some glycine and sample those. Get some taurine and sample those. Get some Niacinamide and sample those. All good for anxiety related stuff. Some people have even found these so good they didn't need meds any more, or they needed smaller doses of meds than they used to take.

You are very strong. Try not be frustrated or confused. You have survived what most people could not. That makes you special. God would not have brought you this far if not for some good purpose. One thing you can do is help other people. You know a lot about meds, suffering, trials, recovery, traps, and healing. Lots of other people don't. Friends, neighbors, strangers, whoever. You might find opportunities to use your wisdom to help someone else through a tough time.

Start with the natural things listed above. Add them to your diet. Then start some new meds.


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