Posted by Kingston on December 2, 2009, at 14:38:56
In reply to Re: Add anything to help with the EMSAM wait...., posted by meltingpot on December 2, 2009, at 12:45:10
Be weary of some of the advice given throughout these forums. I admit that my advice can seem a bit extreme and novel in approach (ie. prescribing desoxyn to someone with depression) but I only give sound advice that has been backed up by some of the top psychiatrists in the country. Recommending Zyprexa to someone as a quick fix for feeling down is, well i'll be blunt, not good advice to be giving. People need to stay as far away from Zyprexa and it's brotherhood as possible if possible. There is a great deal of pressure from the suits to push this drug on America. Much money to be made.
Some pdocs like to prescribe it b/c it works by effect of turning you into a zombie..thereby preventing you from hurting yourself and keeping the psychiatrist lawsuit free. I made the mistake of listening to an uneducated psychiatrist a few years back and experimented with 2.5 mg of zyprexa when I was feeling down. It took my brain 2 weeks to recover to a normal state and my jaw and hand twitched for a year straight. I also became rabidly hungry immediately after ingestion and raided six jars of peanut butter and three tubs of Haggen-Dazz. Food never tasted so good on Zyprexa and I'm not one to overeat..ever. I also enjoyed staring at the television screen and zoning out to American Idol and watching reruns of Sponge Bog Square Pants for about a week straight.
This drug, Zyprexa, will fry your brain in the end. But no one seems to care. BigPharma Lilly is now trying to pawn it off as an anti-Alzy med, claiming it prevents the break down of grey matter: as if grey matter actually matters and has anything to do with Alzheimer's(no one really knows the cause)...the suits don't care as long as it sounds good in a commercial and makes them money.
Don't listen to me, listen to this guy's experience:
"Zyprexa should be taken off the market. Lilly has made a fortune on this drug and Prozac. Both are very dangerous medications. I developed Tardive Dyskinesia from Zyprexa and only took it for 2 months. I was misdiagnosed and will have to live with this awful neurological disorder until I die and I am 30 years old. I hurt constantly in my face and hands. I take 4 drugs to try to control the Tardive Dyskinesia from Zyprexa. I also developed an addiction to Xanax because the Zyprexa made me have panic attacks. Could have lost my license to practice medicine except for the Addictionologist I knew got me off these awful meds and saved my life (yes, my blood sugar was elevated also), but I have been left with irreversible brain damage from Zyprexa. It destroys some of the function of your brain called your "basal ganglia" that controls motor (muscle) movement. Tardive Dyskinesia is a tortuous nightmare. Lilly could give me $100 million and the pain would never go away."Another drug that I see people popping off label is Abilify. You have to be joking??? Abilify, Zyprexa, Seroquel, these are all extremely potent drugs with little known about their long term side effect profile. These drugs are intended as anti-psychotics and the fact that people are using them off label for 'anything short of straight jacket psychosis' is insane. I'm not at all against off label use. For ex. I think Lamictal, Provigil and better yet Nuvigil and better yet high doses of Namenda are brilliant anti-depressants that need to become rapidly accepted as the new AD b/c SSRIs are just garbage and MAOis--while extremely effective--will never be accepted mainstream.
If you are feeling low, best remedy hands down is to go for a jog. I know that's going to get an "oh please, go piss off somewhere else" response and asking a bit much when you're really depressed and set on scarfing cookie dough, but trust me, that's exactly when you should exercise and you can do it even if it feels impossible. Ask yourself this, 'If a naked man walked into your home and began fondling his meat puppet before your eyes, would you stay and let him jostle it in your face or would you get up off the couch and start running?' Unless your a phallic fiend, you'd probably run away as fast as possible. Point being, unless handicapped, you are able to get out an jog if you so desire. Walking is ok but jogging or better yet running full force is the best solution to knocking the wind out of depression. You will not only clear your mind upon doing so with euphoric endorphins and excess oxygen but you will feel good about yourself for having gone for that jog..alleviating your depression further.
If you can't motivate to exercise, then I would recommend some Klonopin to stop suicidal/negatvie thinking. Klonopin is one of those drugs that is a terrible drug but god, what would we do without it. It has way too many positives to even warrant complaining about the negatives or to suggest ever banning it or to suggest that it is an evil drug. It's just addictive and cognitively dulling but there are plenty of ways around the latter at least. Addiction..um...not so much. I've tried and Lithium low dose does seem to help with withdrawl but I end up returning upon realizing just how beneficial Klonopin is. Granted, the five senses aren't as sharp but whatever. Nothing wrong with being addicted to Klonopin as long as you plan on being on it for the rest of your life and there is nothing wrong with that. It's harmless in terms of physical side effects and much safer than alcohol. The detrimental effects of high cortisol levels from high stress and anxiety are far more worrisome.
I would never reccomend stimulants in a down state to someone who is bipolar but I have found that chewing coca leaves(nothing like cocaine which I can't tolerate)to be amazing for lifting suicidal/depressed thoughts(and i'm bipolar by the way)-even if you are bipolar. Coca leaves can be purchased online and it's a crime that they're not readily available to everyone on planet earth. Not a believer in legalizing marijuana but legalizing coca, I strongly advocate. I mean caffeine is more dangerous than coca in so many ways.
But when it comes to anti-psychotics ...yeah...you just don't want to start messing around with anti-psychotics like Zyprexa unless you are forced to. They are intended for people with SEVERE, SEVERE mental disturbance ie. schizophrenia and even then, I could make an argument against there usage.
Apologies if people find this post upsetting as i'm sure many people in this forum are currently taking some the meds i mentioned and downplayed. I'm just stating the truth about a terrible group of medications that have some how finagled there way into mainstream psychiatry. Granted, they have their uses for the insane but I would strongly consider an alternative for everyone else that is coherent enough to post on this message board. I mean how depressed can you be if you're posting on the web? I know when I become suicidal or depressed, the last thing I want to do is to go on the web and start babbling about my problems. Support is good but a truly depressed person wouldn't have the energy to type some of messages i've read on here from people claiming to be in dire straights.-Kingston
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