Posted by Lou Pilder on May 9, 2015, at 22:39:02
In reply to Re: Saphris (asenapine) for bipolar depression » Lou Pilder, posted by Tomatheus on May 9, 2015, at 13:38:14
> Lou,
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> One thing that I can say about getting treatment for bipolar depression or any serious mental health condition is that it involves making some difficult choices. Many of us on this board make such choices about our treatment on an ongoing basis, and I think that some of our experiences have taught us that the choices we make involve a lot of risk and should not be made without careful consideration. And choosing between the consequences of having an untreated or inadequately treated mental health condition and the possible consequences that certain treatments could bring is indeed difficult. I do think that being supportive can involve offering constructive criticism to members here and/or information about the negative consequences of taking a given treatment action. But at the same time, I think that it's important to recognize that the treatment choices we make are difficult ones and to show some measure of respect for the choices that others make on these forums. Given, among other things, the fact that you stated in this most recent post that something is being "promoted" when the person who started this thread was, in my eyes, merely sharing some details of his treatment, I don't see you showing the same level of respect for the members here at Psycho-Babble that most of us show for one another. Now, I'm not saying that everybody here on Psycho-Babble ought to always agree with one another or that we should refrain from offering constructive criticism to one another, but I do think that all of us here, including you, deserve to be respected.
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> TomatheusT,
You wrote,[...being promoted...not showing the same levels of respect...].
Scott is posting that he is taking a basket of drugs of which can increase the adverse effects exponentially. If the drugs carry the suicide warning , Scott could have suicidal urges increased exponentially. The addition of Saphris can increase exponentially a distorted thinking to where he could go into a state that he could not be responsible for himself and to make judgments of irrationality to the point of him being killed by the irrational judgments. This could happen to others that take the drugs also. And they may not know of that.
It is my position that since Mr. Hsiung states that support takes precedence, I think that he and any deputy of record has a responsibility and duty to address that taking the drugs that Scott is taking could be involved in their deaths. I base that on the fact that Mr. Hsiung is a psychiatrist that could have the training to know that death could be part of the basket of drugs that Scott is taking and that promoting such a combination is not supportive. If he does not do that, and Scott dies from the drugs, or kills himself, could he not be responsible for Scott's death?
You see, Saphris is a slightly altered chemical used in military purposes that can cause death and cancer. The US stopped using it but other countries use it. Its effects are so horrible that the US could not continue to use it. It was developed out of chemical warfare from WW2. And I think that Mr. Hsiung could intervene when people post that they are taking Saphris with other psychotropic drugs to warn readers of the potential death and suicide that could come to people taking this drug with other drugs to be considered to be supportive. I can not watch people getting the idea that one can take these drugs in combination without Mr. Hsiung telling about the drugs by intervening with a warning. And for all those that have been killed by the drugs here, their blood will not be upon me.
Lou
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