Posted by Lou Pilder on June 8, 2015, at 7:43:29
In reply to Lou's response-chanzezare » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on June 8, 2015, at 7:12:56
> > > What with those that react psychotic to Dopamine and nervous to NE?
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> > > Exactly, we are f*ck*d!
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> > Don't you think that it is a good thing that drugs with different properties produce different results? I'm sorry if you have had bad experiences with drug treatments. It must seem to you that you are f*ck*d, but this is not true for everyone. One person will react badly to Wellbutrin while another achieves remission with it. Luckily, the first person will respond well to Lexapro. Some people get very well, but only if they take combinations of serotonergic, dopaminergic, and noradrenergic agents. Glutamate is also very important, and is the most common excitatory neurotransmitter. One interesting treatment for bipolar depression is to combine Lamictal (antiglutamatergic) with Abilify.
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> > - Scott
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> Friends,
> It is written above by Scott what IMHO could influence you to become a life-long psychiatric person that accepts that there is a drug for you, or a combination of drugs for you, that will end your depression.
> But what is the evidence for that? And you mothers, are you going to drug your child in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor on what Scott has posted here.
> Let us use some introspection into what Scott has posted here. He posts that {this is not true for everyone}. That is his response to the poster that posted that these drugs produced a bad experience for him. But what are the statistics that show how many people AND AT WHAT COST a person {receives remission} to a drug as Scott states. These elements are not specified by Scott so we could look at the track-record of these drugs to get a better perspective of the consequences that human beings could be subjected to by becoming a psychiatric patient of a psychiatrist/doctor that drugs their patients.
> Now Scott writes, [...Luckily, the first person will respond well to Lexapro...]. But what are the chances that this *Luck* that Scott states is a component of one responding well? The chances are compiled by experts using facts that can give a picture of what these chances are. And chances are, you could kill yourself the moment this drug does to you. You see, there is much more to this than what Scott has posted here and if you are trying to make a more informed decision as to drug yourself or your child on the basis of reading what Scott posts here, I ask you to pause before you jump to any conclusion that what Scott posts here is supportive, for by Mr. Hsiung allowing Scott's statements to stand, you could be led to believe that what he has posted is supportive because support takes precedence here.
> You see, there is evidence that great harm could come to those that take these drugs. Harm that could induce a life-ruining condition or death. And if that doesn't get you, the drug could induce addiction and lead one into a road of horrific suffering that many kill themselves in the state of withdrawal as it can be so horrible. Take a chance? Take a chance on what Scott has posted? Be lucky? Or do you want to know all the facts, not just what Scott has posted here.
> Friends, I say to you not to be deceived by any statements here that could lead you to think that you could be lucky to escape the consequences of being drugged in collaboration with a psychiatrist without knowing what those chances are for you or your child being drugged. You see, I will show you that the chances are the chances are , mighty slim.
> LouFriends,
Do you think that you will be lucky or that you want to subject your child to luck in that drugging in collaboration with a psychiatrist will produce remission to depression?
Before you put your bet down be advised, that if you don't hit on the first drug and it is stopped, you could be addicted to it without the psychiatrist that did the drugging ever disclosing to you about. And the drug could worsen your condition and induce psychosis. You want to be *Lucky*?
Now Scott writes,[...combining Lamictal with Abilify is an interesting treatment for bipolar depression...]. It may be interesting to him, but you could be led to believe that the treatment is supportive as his statement is left to stand and being supportive takes precedence. He says that it is an interesting treatment which could lead you to believe that psychiatrists do prescribe the combination of those drugs. But so what? Thousands of people are killed by these drugs each and every month and they are being prescribed.
Now the chances are that you will get tardive dyskinesia from taking Abilify is around 4%. This is a huge statistical amount. Do you want to take that chance? But it is much worse than that. For when another psychotropic drug is combined , the chances are increased exponentially. So do you want to be part of it? Do you think that it is supportive to post here that one could take Abilify and Lamictal together?
And about 2% of those taking Abilify are killed by the drug. You see, when you compute chances, the chances are combined. We see that we have 4% and 2%. I guess there could be those that get tardive dyskinesia and then be killed by the drug which could alter the stats here. But I can show you all of that as we go along to see what the chances are.
Lou
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