Posted by J Kelly on July 17, 2016, at 5:00:31
In reply to Re: Nardil Update, posted by jonhed on July 16, 2016, at 17:42:07
> "I suffer from depression and social anxiety. Honestly I think a lot of my social anxiety comes from Zyprexa weight gain and fear that my depression is obvious.. I know... go on a diet. If you've been on Zyprexa you probably know that doesn't work :(
>
> Effects from Nardil ...when I got to 60mg (1st time) I really felt a reduction in my depression. I loved waking up in the morning early. I crave it now even though it does less for depression than before and little overall for anxiety. I have some cognitive difficulties.
>
> Ugh!!! Its better than I'm making it sound!
>
> I'd love to hear more about your experience with and knowledge of Zyprexa. Any ideas as to how to keep it but eliminate the weight gain?"
>
>
> That is a very emotional topic for me as i had the exact same problem...
>
> I hate to hear that other have to go through it to, the weight gain and the social anxiety and self hatred that comes with it..Believe me you're not alone!
>
> When i stopped zyprexa (and all the AP's, please don't do it because it write this.) i lost 25kg (55 pounds) in 12 month, and before i started i was 25kg lighter, so now i'm on my normal weight.Same happened to me.
>
> I just had to do it because my body did not like the fast weight gain. So i've been struggling hard to manage without any AP's for 2 years now.Wow, that's great!
>
> I've been lucky, very lucky.
>
> Now adays i have a hard time gaining weight cause of my current regimen.I'm jealous!
>
> And to your question about the IM-version:
>
> 1. No, it doesn't come in 5mg, but 0.5ml is 5mg so that is not an issue.
>
> 2. It is a license medicine that are used ONLY in the "locked" psychiatry when there are emergencies (not like zypadera, the long acting olanzapine).
>
> 3. It is just safe to use the IM version for 3 days, then the doctor need to evaluate and weigh the benefits over the, whatever it's called in english.
>
> I have read some reports about some substance that depletes the weight gain on zyprexa, but i don't remember what it was.
> I will search for it though and post as soon as possible, cause it is a fantastic substance. Superior to all the other AP's, in my opinion.
>
> And yeah, sometimes i like it over benzos to, and that comes from an former addict ;-)
>
> I think that you need to add an anorectic to it to take away the weight gain, and that will outdo the good effects from olanzapine so it's not an option.
>
> Some research about flouxetine is done, when you're taking nardil that is neither an option.
>
> And do not stop with nardil cause it's superior to prozac.
>
> But with 5mg, if you can manage that, and stop eating sugar, i will say that you wont gain any weight.Too late :( I gained 40 lbs since Feb. I can manage with 5mg of Zyprexa I think, its the sugar I think. My therapist says the same thing. No sugar.
>
> I have education even if i have been abusing most of my life, but one year i was clean and became a chef with a special interest in nutrition.Wow that's really cool!! Has it helped you a lot? Even while on meds?
>
> If you want i can give you some easy tips that doesn't make your life miserable (like a strict diet, i don't believe in those).Yes, I would love some easy tips. Send em my way!
>
> Maybe you can be on 7.5mg to, that is not so much anyway.
>
> But that is only if you want some tips, or else i will not force it on you!
>
> But sugar is the problem. I say that you can eat whatever you want if you skip sugar and don't gain weight.
> And not aspartame and light products either, cause they raise the blood sugar level as well.What about Stevia/Truvia? My niece sent me a jar, I love it.
>
> With zyprexa messing with the blood sugar it's important to eat correct, and that doesn't mean strict.
>
> Cause i know people who take olanzapine long acting IM (zypadera) who not gain any weight at all, and that is because they don't eat sugar.
>
> Oh i wish i could have some golden answer, then i will be on zyprexa the first thing by monday to. But i don't have that...
>
> It's night time in sweden now and i will gladly continue the conversation about zyprexa tomorrow, and maybe we can come up with some things together that will help both of us?
>
>
> Anyway i will give my tip about memantine as an adjunctant to the olanzapine, cause memantine is taking away my hunger but not in a bad way, i can eat and all, but i don't crave carbs on it. That's what i have noticed.I will definitely be following up on your tip about memantine. I'm very curious. People are reading your journal by the way :) I think no one wants to interrupt your flow (is my guess) so keep going!
>
> And there is a lot of research about combining the two to help with the cognitive part, cause i get more energy from it and do not feel sedated at all - and not in a speedy way. Not at all like amphetamine or ritalin, it's something else.
>
> I may try 5mg of zyprexa and see if that will do any good and if it not causes any weight gain on me, it would prove my thesis that memantine can stop it.Maybe I will try memantine (up to my pdoc) I can be your guinea pig!
>
> Talk to you tomorrow! I look forward to it.
>
> And please, tell me if you feel some synergy between klonopin and zyprexa, cause i think it should do good together.Yes, I like klonopin and Zyprexa together. I've been on those two together for a long time, mostly 5mg Z and 1.5mg per day klon. They did not work as well as my new cocktail which includes Nardil.
>
> Have memantine in mind for the cognitive difficulties you feel, cause it's not contraindicated for MAOI's. And has done wonders for my cognition (even my mom, pdoc, psychologist and some friends can see the difference now and before i started with it. But as with everything, it's not for every one.)It sounds great cause my brain isn't working anywhere near full speed. Maybe its obvious, I don't know.
Thanks J, I appreciate your thoughtful posts :)
Jade
>
> Kind regards / J
>
>
poster:J Kelly
thread:1090556
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20160713/msgs/1090605.html