Posted by bleauberry on March 23, 2018, at 6:02:09
In reply to Re: insomnia on Nortrip! Help me block the NE SLS » bleauberry, posted by SLS on March 22, 2018, at 14:16:18
SLS I say this with utmost respect. No ill feelings are intended. But the fact is, when it comes to medicinal herbal science, you have minimal knowledge or experience. There is no credibily for any of the 'challenges' you aimed at me.
You are trying to compare the herbal medicinal approach to psychiatry as if it was a medicinal approach which is sort of like comparing a football game to a basketball game. The strategies are different if you want to score points. It requires a book to explain that. I don't have enough space here to do that. I cannot effectively answer your questions without a lot of time and writing.
Western medicine and Eastern medicine are very different. In America science is primarily concerned with how things work. The Chinese don't care about that. They care about WHAT works. They view medical issues in terms of bizarre analogy's of liver, kidney, spleen, lungs, ying and yang, hot and cold, dampness, dryness. Pharmacies have countless drawers filled with medicinal leaves, stems, twigs, roots and flowers. They also have medicines.
The best healing on earth - in my opinion - is when Eastern medicine and Western medicine are married together into a hybrid. That's how I got better - some antibiotics and some roots, leaves and twigs.
I almost got the sense you were being hostile and bullying towards me. Not sure. If yes, that's ok. I understand. If no, then I just interpreted your words wrong.
I can help you with specific herb-herb questions if you have any curiosity on this one or that one or whatever.
But if you want a good grasp of how the two different approaches to treating disease work, it will take some effort on your part. There is no better way to do that, that I am aware of, than these two books:
1. WHY CAN'T I GET BETTER - SOLVING THE MYSTERIES OF LYME AND CHRONIC DISEASE. Richard Horowitz
Another book also - HOW CAN I GET BETTER? - Horowitz
(just ignore the 'lyme' part of it - pretend you don't have lyme - that is the way for you to read this book - read it as a critic, as a pessimist - this is a great book for you, in my opinion, because it is written by a nationally renowned expert and answers every question you have asked me.2. HEALING LYME - SOLVING THE MYSTERIES OF LYME AND CHRONIC DISEASE - Stephen Buhner.
Both of these books have a good potential to cause remission in medically failed patients with long standing treatment resistant depression, bipolar, anxiety and schizo-affective syndromes. My case is not rare. My case is common. My psychiatric response to blanket shotgun strategies of anti-systemic inflammation, anti-brain inflammation, antimicrobials, and anti-toxins is not unusual. It was profoundly successful but not unusual. You can expect a different game and different results than the DSM manuals.
Hope this helps.
> Hi, Bleauberry.
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> > > > I would instead resort to insomnia herbs and calming herbs. A combo of 3 or 4 of them works wonders, even against powerful pharmaceuticals. I'm thinking things like Valerian, Passion flower, American Skullcap, Lemon Balm, and others. These offer additional health benefits over prescriptions.
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> > > Good idea.
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> > But I would like to add to that - single or duo herbs are usually much less effective than 3-5 herbs.
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> How can you make such a generalized statement like that? That's like saying 1-2 antidepressants are less effective than 3-5 antidepressants. Perhaps you could provide scientific evidence of this? I find this kind of generalization counterproductive, if not dangerous.
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> > That's because unlike medications, these plants have multifaceted mechanisms and actions
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> How can you say this? There is a panoply of medications that have multifaceted mechanisms of action. Todays drug research involves refining molecules so that they perform multiple actions.
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> > often dozens or even hundreds per plant.
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> Can you name one plant that has revealed hundreds of medicinal mechanisms of action as delineated by science?
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> > Almost as if God planned it that way
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> Uh, oh.
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> > or a miracle of Mother Nature
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> Don't look now, but man is a miracle of Mother Nature. Is it unnatural for man to fashion a tool from flint using the hands and brain that he was endowed with? Is it unnatural to plant and harvest herbs agriculturally? Is it unnatural to refine herbs and concentrate them into oils? Is it unnatural to refine oil and produce drugs from it?
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> > Most herbs synergise with each other and make each other better.
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> This is not a fact. It is an overgeneralization. It sounds wonderful, though. Well, perhaps you are right. Belladonna and Hemlock can be combined to produce a synergistic effect - death.
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> > While it's true plants have medicinal properties, many of them are eaten as foods in other countries.
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> The point being? Do you mean that if eaten as a food, there will be no pharmacological effect from the substances contained in it? It doesn't matter what the source of a pharmacological substance is. If enough of it is introduced into the body per unit time, it will produce a change in biological function.
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> > In my opinion, all psychiatric patients should do a 3 month trial of Cordyceps mushroom - the dose is 6000mg and up.
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> It is interesting that you should have such an opinion. Lucky caterpillars.
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> Not all psychiatric patients have bipolar disorder. Not all psychiatric patients have schizophrenia. Not all psychiatric patients have OCD... etc. All psychiatric patients should understand that a drug that works for one person will not work for another. Now, can you give any foundation for why this mushroom is a panacea for all psychiatric patients? Do you happen to know what the mechanisms of action are? It is not necessary to know this, of course. If it works, it works. If it has no adverse effects, so much the better. Cordyceps is contraindicated in pregnancy, by the way.
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> > I just think it makes sense to try a handful of herbal medicines before committing to a chemical medication.
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> In other words, you think it makes sense to take a handful of herbs, each containing an array of chemicals that can yield hundreds of mechanisms of action.
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> No thank you.
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> - Scott
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