Posted by bleauberry on April 24, 2018, at 11:54:51
In reply to Re: Lyme disease - a neuropsychiatric disease, posted by SLS on April 19, 2018, at 17:07:24
Scott I did not claim that 9 out of 10 Lyme patients have psychiatric symptoms.
I did claim that 9 out of 10 psychiatric patients have Lyme.
The citations I have are anecdotal - two family doctors shared what has happened in their clinics over a couple decades - long story short, a lot of people with psychiatric diseases and other mystery diseases got better on antibiotics but not conventional treatments.
Call it lyme, call it mystery, call it tick-born, call it dunno, call it whatever, doesn't matter. The fact is people are experiencing profound healing with their psychiatric troubles and their mystery diseases with antibiotics. Explain any way you want. Give it a name any way you want. It changes nothing. Patients are getting better with LLMDs when they don't get better with other doctors. That doesn't change no matter how much skepticism or what you call it.
There are a few thousand LLMDs in the USA at this point. Any one of them will confirm for you pretty much anything I have said. They are doctors. I am not. So I think it makes sense for you to find one of them, schedule an appointment for an initial evaluation and a second opinion, and ask your questions of them instead of me. They can answer questions better than me, answer questions more thoroughly than me, accept and deflect pessimism better than me, and stand a real chance of getting you better than you are.
> > 9 of 10 lyme patients have psychiatric symptoms!
Flip it backwards - 9 out of 10 psychiatric patients have lyme. If that sounds profound, it's because it is. It is a primary reason there are so many psych patients being inadequately treated.
There is only one thing more profound - that we have so many psychiatric patients suffering from inadequate care. THAT is profound.>
> Citations?
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> Even if 10 of 10 Lyme patients have psychiatric symptoms, that would still represent less than 1% of the general population. Only 1.135% of people with depression would have Lyme Disease with your numbers. That is still quite high, but not high enough to suggest that everyone with depression be treated for it.
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> How about suggesting a specific first-line treatment for Lyme to resolve depression. You don't have to guarantee anything. Don't be afraid to be direct and concise. That would be very helpful to me since focus and concentration while reading are difficult for me.
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> Thanks.
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> The actual rate of depression among Lyme cases, in my estimation, is probably no higher than 26% given the overdiagnosis of Major Depressive Disorder*. This would bring down the cases of Lyme among depressed patients to 0.295% = 1 in 338. This number is still pretty high. However, if we had 338 people with depression currently posting on Psycho-Babble, only 1 would require treatment for Lyme. We don't have 338 people posting on Psycho-Babble. If the numbers are off, they are not off by that much. They suggest that it is unlikely that even 1 person here has Lyme. It is important to take into consideration that the incidence of Lyme Disease varies greatly regionally, and that the population of Psycho-Babble is waited heavily towards treatment resistant depression.
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> * https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7943444
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> USA:
> Population = 325,000,000
> Depression = 10% = 32,500,000
> Lyme incidence = 369,000
> Lyme with depression = 26%
> Depression with Lyme = 0.295%
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> - ScottThese calculations only apply to an assumption of "9 out 10 lyme patients have psychiatric symptoms". But the topic of discussion is actually backwards from that - "9 out of 10 psychiatric patients have lyme".
Does that mean that I think most of the people at babble actually have a tick born disease instead of whatever their doctors diagnosed? Yes that is correct.
I think our psychiatric medicines work a whole lot better when we get accurate diagnosis for the rest of the body. None of us can possibly expect a monoamine manipulating chemical to overcome a systemic stealth stubborn infection. But we do. We actually think serotonin or dopamine or agonism or antagonism, any of them, they have the power to end disease and restore wellness. Don't think so. Psych meds can help. But they won't get us to the finish line.
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