Posted by bleauberry on October 9, 2018, at 8:15:26
In reply to Bacteria hibernate during antibiotic - Bleauberry., posted by SLS on September 26, 2018, at 14:06:22
This is absolutely true. While mysteries abound, we probably cannot say exactly what all is going on. But yeah, in general, hibernation is a good enough word to describe the phenomenon.
For example....Jereon is taking Doxycycline...at some point....it was about the 4 month mark for me....it will seem to not work anymore....the bacteria morph into a different form. They can morph into what they call an L form or a cystic form. Both of which are not impacted by Doxy. It is a defensive mechanism. So they aren't actually hibernating, they just changed. They can change back to the original form too. Back and forth.
There is a definite connection with the phase of the moon. I know that sounds crazy. But hear me out. It is widely talked about in lyme circles. No way to prove it or explain it. But widely agreed on. I kept a diary for 2 years. Whenever I felt unusually bad I would look at the night sky and record the position of the moon. But only during the worst of times. What I discovered was that out of 24 really bad episodes of deep dark depression and flare up of other symptoms, 23 of them happened on half moons.
Most lyme patients who track the moon will say they suffer the most on full moons. That is consistent with emergency trauma room stats. But for me, for whatever reason, it was half moons. I was always on an upswing during full moons. So this phenomenon could play a role in the appearance hibernation.
The bacteria have life cycles that are about a month - and maybe that is why they can be in tune with the moon.
I was told that much of the time while I am taking antibiotics, they aren't actually doing anything. They told me that is because the bacteria hide well in cartilage, bone marrow, and places where there is little blood flow. They have good defense strategies. But they have to come out of hiding to survive. When they do that, we don't know when, it is important to have high blood levels of antibiotics at that time. So maybe, in my own thinking, antibiotics only work 1 week out of 4. The other 3 weeks they are in the blood but not finding targets. Targets come out to be hit once a month.
Do they actually hibernate? Go to sleep? I don't know about that but it would not surprise me. These are not dumb bacteria. They are very advanced with lots of genes and thousands of years of evolution.
So in treating longterm lyme, the strategy is to always have some sort of antimicrobial agent operating at all times, simply because there is too much mystery. We just don't know enough to do precision hits. And we take substances that will dissolve their defenses - dissolve bacteria that are sleeping, dissolve inactive bacteria, dissolve the defensive coating around their colonies, and to target the morphed forms of the bacteria.
I am not currently on antibiotics anymore, as of a month ago. But I still hit it hard with herbal capsules and tinctures. So far so good. I am always thinking in shotgun terms, blanket coverage terms, in order to cover the mysteries we don't know about. Hibernation is one of those. I cover that base specifically with several herbs. Grapefruit Seed Extract is maybe one of the best for that. Great on its own and great combined with ABX.
It gets more and more fascinating the more we learn. For example, all sorts of different bacteria, fungi and yeast can gather into colony-like clusters with a protective film covering them. They communicate amongst themselves. They become almost like a single breathing organism. They can become dormant or very active. They are nearly immune to the immune system because of the protective layer, and likewise immune to antibiotics which can't reach them. This phenomenon could be viewed possibly as hibernation. In any case, either Serrapeptase or Grapefruit Seed Extract dissolve them pretty well. I have generated some absolutely terrifying Herxheimer reactions with some of that "cyst busting".
Another point worth mentioning in all this, is that killing bad organisms is only part of the strategy. Many of the symptoms, including the psychiatric ones, come not from the actual organisms, not from their damage to tissue, but rather from the toxins they excrete and how those toxins set into motion cascading events involving the immune system and hormones. Everything cascades worse, with intensifying momentum. So the most important part of attacking it all is actually not the killing of organisms, but rather, the interruption of those cascades. Stop them in their tracks. A discussion for another post sometime. That's what I refer to when I talk about inflammation and toxicity.
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> It seems that some bacteria have a mechanism that allows them to hibernate when exposed to antibiotics. This is in agreement with what you have stated in the past. Hopefully, scientists will find a way to exploit this knowledge and target specific enzymes to prevent bacteria from hibernating and escaping death.
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> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/09/180925110025.htm?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
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> - Scott
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