Posted by Larry Hoover on October 22, 2003, at 16:14:46
In reply to Re: Larry - Eat Healthy! - What the heck is this? » Larry Hoover, posted by mattdds on October 20, 2003, at 23:30:17
> Hey Lar,
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> First, thanks for the response. I'd be quite curious to see your paper on TEGDMA resins (right?).That, and other substances of similar chemistry.
> How big of an attachment are we talking here?
1 mb? I don't know for sure.
> I'll email you my high speed email, which I think accepts big attachments.
You did give me an email address a few weeks ago, but I didn't record it.
> >Just for an idea of a better way to eat, you might want to consider the Paleo diet
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> Very interesting, I read a little about this and it all sounds quite convincing. I mean, our genes just did not have time to catch up with the rapid development of agriculture.That's the argument, in a nutshell.
> Using paleo as a template sounds like a fantastic idea. I am looking to make it as practical as possible. Obviously, you can't get bison at the corner deli in NYC. I'll have to settle for beef ;), perhaps even grain-fed. Hey, I have to make some compromises.Exactly. For me, Paleo is an attitude, rather than a diet. When I can, I get free-range meat. If not, I still get meat.
> Right now, I think any improvement I can make on my diet will be helpful.
Another very good attitude to hold. Increments do matter.
> When doing diets in the past, I would tend to become perfectionistic - following them to the tee. This resulted in getting burned out and a rebound carb-pigout phenomenon that immediately erased all my results.
I don't cook with recipes (except when baking....no choice if you want it to turn out). I'm not a formulaic type guy. One bowl of ice cream isn't going to kill me. Nor is a carb-laden food. Once in a while. It's the trend that matters.
> >I'm learning to restrict carbs.
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> Damn, this is hard, isn't it? With their availability, convenience and just really good taste!The food-processing industry really should be called the carb-processing industry.... :-/
> >I can't quite fathom constipation arising, though, as substitution for carbs generally involves enhanced intake of fiber, via fruits and veggies. Care to enlighten, vis a vis diet components?
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> Strict "induction-phase" Atkins, with <20 g carbs (and the carbs I elected to eat were usually not high in fiber). It was awful dude. I literally felt like I was in labor - struggling to give birth to a large river rock.Codeine does that to me. I *hear* ya. I don't understand the need for the induction-phase, in any case. Your body is going to adjust. Why make it a massively overt manipulation? Whatever.
> Honestly though, I didn't eat nearly enough fiber. Paleo seems more to encourage more fiber, right?
In a general sense. Paleo won't make you eat fruit and veggies if they're not your normal choices, right? You still have to make good choices.
> I took it way too fast, also. This is typical of me, I jump into things way too fast.
No! You? I *never* would have guessed that. ;-)
> >Carbs were not a routine part of the hunter-gatherer diet.
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> You mean, like mashed potatoes and rice, right?They were occasional dietary supplements, in the appropriate season. Agriculture was a shift to having these foods available in large quantities by direct manipulation of the environment. Nibbling on some rice or grain or potatoes once in a while isn't a problem. It's eating quantities of them every day.
> Did they eat fruit, nuts and seeds occasionally? I sure hope nuts are on the OK list, I could do well on a diet of meat, nuts, fruits and veggies. Eggs? I would imagine eggs are OK, no?
For sure. I see nothing wrong with eggs (and many good things about eggs).
Think about wandering through the landscape. Finding this tree in fruit, that tree with nuts, a bird on its nest, blah blah. You'd never find a 160 hectare monoculture field of corn or wheat in a natural scenario.
> The abstracts are convincing, indeed.
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> Lar, thanks again. You truly are the "go-to guy" here. We all appreciate the time you spend on your replies - they're always extremely helpful and thoughtful.My pleasure. I'm just glad my postings are appreciated.
> Best,
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> Matt
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> P.S. I think it's interesting that carb restriction diets used to be prescribed by neurologists to control seizures. I wonder if this has any implications for psychiatry.I bet depression incidence would be lower if everybody ate Paleo.
Lar
P.S.
Depress Anxiety. 2002;16(3):118-20.
A cross-national relationship between sugar consumption and major depression?
Westover AN, Marangell LB.
Mood Disorders Center (MDOC), Department of Psychiatry, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas, USA. anwestover@yahoo.com
We have preliminarily investigated the hypothesis that sugar consumption may impact the prevalence of major depression by correlating per capita consumption of sugar with the prevalence of major depression. Major depression prevalence data (annual rate/100) was obtained from the Cross-National Epidemiology of Major Depression and Bipolar Disorder study [Weissman et al., 1996]. Sugar consumption data from 1991 was obtained from the Food and Agricultural Organization of the United Nations. For the primary analysis, sugar consumption rates (cal/cap/day) were correlated with the annual rate of major depression, using the Pearson correlation coefficient. For the six countries with available data for the primary analysis, there was a highly significant correlation between sugar consumption and the annual rate of depression (Pearson correlation 0.948, P=0.004). Naturally, a correlation does not necessarily imply etiology. Caveats such as the limited number of countries with available data must be considered. Although speculative, there are some mechanistic reasons to consider that sugar consumption may directly impact the prevalence of major depression. Possible relationships between sugar consumption, beta-endorphins, and oxidative stress are discussed. Copyright 2002 Wiley-Liss, Inc.
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