Posted by tealady on November 25, 2003, at 19:13:24
In reply to Re: CONGRATS on the JOB » tealady, posted by JLx on November 24, 2003, at 9:46:43
> > > That sounds good. Tyrosine helps me to feel more awake.
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> > It helps me with appetite control and pain control. I don't think it gives me more energy ..I know it should though.
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> Hmm...appetite control. Tyrosine does that for me, does it for you too?Yes. not quite enough, but it's a help. The T3 in the thyroid hormones stimulate my appetite..I think as they provide only a part of the picture... tyrosine helps provide the balance.
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> > IT slows the breakdown of cortisol .so it lasts all day in the body at a higher level.
> > I was probably eating too much licorice I think as I was bruising easily..now that is worked out.
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> > When I ran out, after a while I woke up with nausea, shaking, sweating, weak etc.,..took a while to twig!...took some cortisol(only a tiny bit) and was right again soon after.
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> How did you determine that you needed the extra cortisol?Hmm can't remember clearly much from then. I think I got an email and that person had talked a lot on adrenal crash symptoms before, so it kinda reminded me of the symptoms which I was recognising...and tried it..and it worked. Guardian angel/luck ? It's the first time it's happened to me like that. Hopefully the last?
> do you have a prescription for when you take some?
Yes... my saliva tested out pretty low beginning of last year..like too low to measure towards end of day..I seem to get enough in the morning just don't retain it. The thyroid meds were really hitting me hard in the beginning..you need a bit of adrenal support if they are borderline when you start thyroid hormones or probably also if you start tyrosine too in some cases
Fish oil supports the adrenals really well..and B5, VitC help too, as does a multiB etc.I was lucky at the time I had been taking high doses of vitC I guess and multiB's, zinc etc.
(I somewhat recall you talking to Larry about this....using hydrocortisone cream?...but didn't follow more than the basic gist of your conversation.)
yes, I use this on occasion too..I did apply a bit of that..but I needed something a bit more just then..and a faster pickup. Cortisol seems to work within half an hour with me.You may recall me saying that my experiment with natural progesterone gave me one day of really boosted energy. You said it may have been the cortisol, which is something I thought perhaps was always elevated with me due to chronic stress.
well it starts like that...but if the stress continues like for years and is fairly intense..then eventually the adrenals don't produce enough.
What seems to happen with me , I think, is that I do produce enough in the morning and can cope all day if I don't get stressed at all(and take some licorice which helps prevent the breakdown of cortisol as fast)...but if I do get stressed then I start shaking , and if I take some cortisol I can stop the reaction..so it looks like my body just doesn't produce more on demand well enough...I really can't find much about this in searching the web. So if anyone finds anything let ne know please!
I was pretty dumb to let myself get stressed I guess. I usually avoid it ..like I might not answer some posts(even though I really would like to have a say), or get into debates etc...and I used to enjoy a good debate too, sigh.I know I feel better after I started getting to bed really early; thought it was the decreased cortisol that made me feel better.
No, the opposite..you have to get to bed ..preferably by 10pm(I've heard 9.30)..to allow your natural circadian rhythm to produce enough cortisol. I know it when I was a joke as a kid as I'd insist on being in bed by 8.30pM,..even when invited to stay up later..I know why now.
Late nights on forums aren't doing me much good. I'll have to discipline myself more. I've cut back form midnight to 11PM so far...but I sleep in the afternoon still.>
> I have more energy on tyrosine and TMG than I did without them, but nothing like that one day on natural progesterone.It does convert to a lot of cortisol. Cortisol makes just about anyone feel good in the short term..it's in the longer term that it is dangerous.
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> > (I think it increases estrogen levels too..)
> > here's some posts on it
> > http://forums.about.com/ab-thyroid/messages?msg=52906.17...and next few posts
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> > (for men it's apparently not so good..
> > http://forums.about.com/ab-thyroid/messages?msg=27262.167)
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> I didn't see anything about licorice in that first post, but this is interesting from Larrian Gillespie,OK..I should have told you. When you read on "about" forums..you need to go down to bottom RHS of page and click on ADVANCED VIEW ..so you see 20 messages at once. There is a lot about licorice in that first thread
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> "women crave liquorice to raise their cortisol levels when they have modified adrenal insufficiency".
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> I've never craved licorice (can't stand the taste) but I recall my older sister (my predecessor in the natural-menopause route) saying that licorice made her nuts. Perhaps it was the cortisol increase. I guess I had it in my head too that it raised blood pressure.no idea on this. I'm not there as yet.
It does this via the increase in adrenal function I think
But I did use to take some in my multi-herbal formula: http://www.myvitanet.com/fewidh60cnna.html
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> That's the one with DHEA that I took for years. I don't any more to save the monthly expense and because I figured it was the DHEA especially that was helping me which is a lot less expensive to take alone.
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> > The DHEA is giving some cortisol..probably too much..its been 13 days now.. So 20mg is too much daily in the long term I guess.
> > I'll try to remember to decrease to 10mg per day for a while and see how that level is. I'm just taking capsules.
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> DHEA affects cortisol? Hmm... I've read it's supposed to be stimulating, but I took both capsule of that formula above, before bed for years.
>> > > > Started on SJW yesterday, been on DHEA 4 days I think now...I know I'm doing too much at once, but I need some changes right now, will work out what does what later, even if slower in the long run.
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> > Up to 2 tablets of SJW daily so far (2 lots of 2700mcg SJW, which has 1350mcg hypericin in each).
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> 3 weeks before you can tell if the SJW kicks in, right? That's the trouble with that one. Like waiting for an AD with your fingers crossed. :)
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> > > Best wishes to you too. I was glad to see you back posting. :)
> > Had to catch up with a few people<g>. I'm trying to taper. I need to get out there and exercise..and catch up with some jobs..
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> TMG has helped me step up my exercise.
I have yet to try TMG..is that the same as betaine?I started with half an hour at a small local gym at the pool last night <much to amusement of one son>....and walk in the bush a couple of days a week now..still have to get better at uneven surfaces
Best wishes
Jan
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