Posted by JLx on November 1, 2004, at 7:45:38
In reply to Re: Severe Panic Attacks Agoraphobia, posted by sabre on November 1, 2004, at 0:13:26
> Hello JL
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> I can relate to the startled rabbit syndrome... jumping at the slightest provocation. You mentioned that Magnesium helps. I have some Mg carbonate. How does it rate compared to the other forms of Mg?
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> Your information is v.useful and interesting. Thanks
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> sabreHi Sabre,
Yes, that's interesting about the startle response, isn't it? I wish I'd known that might signal a magnesium deficiency years ago. I recall being that way around the time I was having anxiety attacks, and again when I was diagnosed with PTSD years later. Over sensitivity to sound is another one.
"Magnesium chelated with amino acids is probably the most absorbable form. Less absorbable forms include magnesium bicarbonate, magnesium oxide, and magnesium carbonate. Magnesium oxide is probably somewhat better than magnesium carbonate (dolomite). The newly available salts of magnesium aspartate or citrate, both known as mineral transporters, have a better percentage of absorption." http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.asp?ID=2060
Since we know from info that Larry has posted on here before that mg oxide is very poorly absorbed, that means mg carbonate is really pretty useless. I would definitely try something else (but not aspartate or glutamate). According to George Eby, of this website, http://www.coldcure.com/html/dep.html, Rapid Recovery From Depression Using Magnesium Treatment, mg aspartate and mg glutamate are contraindicated for depressive conditions as they are excitatory. It was Eby's site that first clued me in to magnesium. I don't take everything he says as gospel, but he's more often right than wrong in my experience and I trust him on that one.
Elson M. Haas M.D. in that link referenced above says,
"Calcium and magnesium are both alkaline minerals, so they are not taken with or after meals, as they can reduce stomach acid as well as being absorbed poorly when taken with food. They are absorbed better when taken between meals or on an empty stomach, especially with a little vitamin C as ascorbic acid. Many calcium-magnesium combinations are formulated with hydrochloric acid and vitamin D to aid the mineral absorption. And taking them before bedtime may be very helpful in increasing utilization of both these important minerals and lead to a sleep-filled night."
That is good info that contradicts what you usually hear but is also what Carolyn Dean, M.D. says in "The Miracle of Magnesium" (which I have read).
I currently take magnesium glycinate and mg malate as mg citrate was likely to give me diarrhea. I'm going to next try mg taurate (which is what Eby recommends these days) as the price has just come down a lot. It's at Vitamin Shoppe (and also at Amazon) for $7.17 a bottle, it used to be $11.95, as 60 tablets of 125 mg.
JL
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