Posted by KaraS on December 4, 2004, at 20:35:35
In reply to Re: Acetyl L-Carnitine vs L-Carnitine » KaraS, posted by jujube on December 4, 2004, at 17:54:02
> > So the Anafranil seems to be working and you're planning to stay on it a while? (I'm assuming that you've done some research on NADH and you know that it can't be taken indefinitely as it will tend to poop out and/or make you irritable if you don't take breaks from it. Also, I think TMG is a better augmentor with it than DMG. Can you get TMG in Canada? You probably know all this as I see you've been doing a lot research lately - but I thought I'd mention those things in case you haven't read them.)
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> --I will probably stay on the Anafranil for a while, as long as I don't gain weight and the dizziness doesn't get worse. It seems to be quite effective. All I need now is something to kick-start my motivation again. I have never had a problem in the past with motivation, which is why this is so frustrating. Thanks for the reminder about NADH poop-out after long-term use. I had read that in my research, but it's always nice to be reminded. With respect to the TMG vs DMG, I went with the DMG because I could only find TMG in high doses, and I wanted to start low and work up if necessary. If the DMG doesn't work, then I will try to find another source for TMG in lower doses.Part of the problem is better than nothing I guess. The motivation is a tough one. I'm working on that myself which is why I'm trying the selegiline and may end up trying the Parnate. I just wish they didn't put me to sleep. It makes it so hard to function.
> > I saw your other post about how you can get the DMAE in Canada now. Yay! So ridiculous how they restrict such benign supplements!
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> -- Ridiculous is right! The source from which I was able to get the DMAE said it had something to do with the pharmaceutical companies lobbying the government to have it prohibited. Whether that is true or not, I don't know. I know the woman I dealt with at this business told me that one of her customers has been giving her son DMAE and he now no longer needs to be on Ritalin. I seems to recall reading that DMAE used to be a prescription drug in Europe many years ago and went by the name Deanol (? spelling). I am looking forward to trying it.I remember reading something like that about DMAE. There's also a supplement or medication that is slightly different (diethyl instead of dimethyl so it was actually DEAE) One of them I think was called Deanol and the other was called Deaner - but I could be mistaken. I'm not really sure which is which.
> > I don't have any wheezing so maybe it's more of a stress issue. My nasal passageways swell up though and I can't breathe out of my nose. That part is from either allergens or possibly the dry heat inside this time of year. Then my chest gets really tight probably from stress/panic. I can feel myself clenching the muscles in my chest and I feel that I'm fighting to get air. I haven't wanted to take the selegilne for fear that it might make the situation worse.
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> -- Have you asked your GP if you can have some pulmonary function testing done? These tests would give you a pretty good idea if you have asthma. I suffer from bad sinuses, and have since my early 30s. When I first started experiencing problems, I had the same problem as you - my nasal passages would block right up and even my ears would get blocked like I was on an airplane. I remember experiencing a lot of anxiety and tightness in my chest, which did turn out to be panic because I could not breath through my nose. If you are really worried, however, try to get some pulmonary function tests done. Also, what I have found helps unblock the nasal passages is steaming my face. And, when it gets really bad, I put Vicks on my face when I go to bed. It seems to help unblock things.So you know exactly what I'm talking about! Unfortunately I don't have health insurance so I can't afford to see a doctor right now or get expensive tests. That's one way where Canada is much better than the U.S. I had this same problem many years ago and it eventually lead me to panic attacks. I got better from the panic disorder when I went on doxepin and the breathing issue seemed to disappear too. I'm now wondering if doxepin's norepinephrine reuptake inhibition might have had a positive effect on the breathing issue as well. I don't know enough about how it works but if the drug made more norepinephrine available outside of the brain, then that would make sense. Epinephrine is given for asthma to open up bronchial tubes. (Maybe I'll post something about that.)
> > Good luck with your new supplements. Be sure to report back on how they're working for you. (You never did try the Rhodiola, did you?)
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> -- No, never did try the Rhodiola. Didn't want to take the chance using at the same time as a SSRI or now a TCA since my doctor was not too keen on it being combined. But, it's there for me to try when I decide to be more adventurous and throw caution to the wind.Hopefully what you're going to try now will work out well and you won't need to. If not, Dr. Richard Brown uses Rhodiola a lot in his practice and he has a book out on it now. He says that there are no "known" contraindications. You might want to check it out. I don't blame you for being cautious though.
> Take care. Hope you find some relief for your sinuses and the asthma.
Thanks. I think I'll use the steam and some aromtherapy (eucalyptus which would work like the Vicks) to help as well as caffeine. I might try yerba mate too. I think it has the caffeine as well but may be more tolerable in larger doses. (I once read something about it being unsafe in some way so I'd have to look into that one more first.)
Let us know how the NADH and DMAE work out.
Kara
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