Posted by Vincent_QC on March 5, 2010, at 10:06:16 [reposted on March 6, 2010, at 9:22:04 | original URL]
In reply to , posted by on December 31, 1969, at 18:00:00
> Sorry, I apologize, one more thing.
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> You mentioned getting exhausted after just ten minutes of working out. Classic adrenal/thyroid stuff. Listen to what your body is telling you.
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> Don't do it.
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> In your case, the best kinds of exercises are non-aerobic. Weightlifting, stretching, these are good. Anything that gets your heart beating hard and breathing hard, not good. You can do those things, but only in moderation.
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> If the adrenals are weak, the last thing you want to do is strain them. Heavy exercise will strain them to the max. If you get to the point where you feel exhausted, even if it has only been 10 minutes, you've already strained them too much.
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> So in the same way doses of meds or supplements need to be very low, the demand put on the adrenals needs to also be very low. You can stay in excellent physical shape and keep the muscles toned and all that without overdoing it.
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> When you begin to heal, you may have a day where you experience unusually good energy, and you may overdo it that day with more activity than you usually do. Your adrenals, not healed yet, will be knocked back down a few notches by the excess activitiy you did on that good day. Then you will be back in the trenches again for a few days to recover from that one single day. So, when that day comes, force yourself to take it easy, go slow, and don't overdo it. The adrenals need to be pampered all the way. Give them a smooth ride so they can heal and strengthen. Any excess demand is going to sabotage all your other efforts.
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> Alright, I think I'm done. :-) Geez, I sure hope something in all of this is helpful to you. It is already obvious that no one else is going to heal us, so we have to learn how to heal ourselves. Thankfully it has already been done by thousands of others before us, and we have their stories to learn from. Most of which I have shared with you.Hi ;-)
Thanks for your answers... very helpfull, especially when your own PDoc told you that he cannot help you anymore and that it's no hope for me, especially for meds...He talk about going off all meds, including benzos meds, and talk aslo about learn to live my life in the state that I am now... who is ridiculous... I don't know someone who will accept to live a life like this!!! Too bad i'm not suicidal, and fear death... because I will not be here since a long time!!!The main problem is that I can't ask to have another PDoc... you already know, public health system, no money, mean you don't have the choice to take the PDoc they give to you!!! Most of them are pay by the governement, pay more if they see more patients each day... so they never take the time to listening to you and also they don't care about you, they see you as a number, not a human being...
I have another choice, it will be to say to the PDoc that I drop him, the next time I see him, and return only with my Family Doctor, who is not a PDoc, but do a lot of research on anxiety disorders and have more experience of dealing with peoples who have anxiety disorders than peoples who have depression... The Family Doc also take a lot of time with his patients... In fact, when you got an appointment with him, he is always late of 2-3 hours because he take the time to speak with his patients and listening to them!
Also, the Family Doc is more open to off-label meds and if I insist a lot, I can convince him to have some bloodwork done to test my hormones... something that my PDoc will not do...
The PDoc don't want to do anything for me, he can't even remember what meds he try on me. I always have to remind him about my past history of meds trials and things like that. He never take the time to read all my medical folder...and when I want to try something, he always agrue with me, tolding me that i'm a passive-agressive person, that I don't trust him, that i'm a very difficult patient to treat...bla bla bla...
Since I have that PDoc, my mental state decrease so much... The problem that I had when I start seeing him was only social anxiety and agoraphobia. I was stable on a low dose of 20 mg of Valium, even after many fails on pervious meds that I try with the PDoc that I had before... I start experiencing panic and worse anxiety since i'm following by him... I don't put the blame on him, but he don't help me to improve for sure... His attitude is something that I can't tolerate and the fact that he refuse to help me proove that it's not the PDoc I need...
Before I had that PDoc, I had another one who was working only with anxious peoples... it was his speciality... but that PDoc leave the Psychiatric hospital to go working with soldiers in the army, who have PTSD... And the psychiatrict hospital decide to give to me the actual PDoc, who work mainly with depressive peoples, not anxious... I see him since december 2008 and he do nothing to help me. In fact, I was always the one who ask about trying new meds.
I was the one who ask him to start the Parnate (my own fault because since then, my blood pressure and pulse rate is all f*ck up), same thing for the Clomiparmine, the Imipramine, the nortryptiline, the pristiq, the cymbalta and many others meds who fails to work on me in 2009... I'm also the one who suggest to return on the Paxil in July 2009... he wanted me on 10 mg at the first dose... I do it on my own way...and take 2 months before reaching 20 mg...and decrease to 15 mg because I find out that it was doing the same thing at 15mg and 20 mg, so why take more of it when you can take less...
Anyway, last summer my anxiety was mainly panic attacks while I was driving my car and when I was at the gym... I was able to get out of my house and being alone at home without experiencing constant anxiety symptoms like the incredible head pain (migraine), eyes pain, stomach burning, dizziness, fainting, constant sweating from hands and feets, visual hallucinations (black circles), muscles spasm, intense fear of dying, sensitivity to lights and sounds, tunel vision, double vision, and many others...
Now I can't even take a single Advil to treat my head pain and decrease the migraine that I have everyday... The head pain and migraine is always higher when I have to leave the house and when i'm outside or far away from my home... and when the head pain became stronger, the migraine start and i'm stuck with it for 4-5 days in a row...
I have also a lot of difficulty to take my daily vitamins, the iron make my pulse rate irregular, the calcium make the same effect, the Vitamin D and A increase my blood pressure and the head pain, the only one pill that I can take without any adverse effect is the Centrum...
Anyway, Is it normal that I have to do all the work, the research and find out what is my problem??? The answer is no... it'S the job of my PDoc...and i'm not getting better, my mental state decrease to the point that I can't now leaving my house without facing powerfull anxiety and a lot of symptoms who just make me unable to appreciate the time I spend with my friends... and the amount of time I spend out the house is getting lower and lower...And now, I also feel bad at home... especially when i'm alone... I have to go in the bed with my cellphone, in case I wake up in panic or have a heart problem... being alone in my bedroom in the basement make me fear that nobody will hear me if I cry loud and feel bad and I will not be able to be rescue... When i'm alone at home and I go in the bed for a nap, I let the door not look, in case I have to call the 911 and will need help...
No quality of life...
Anyway, thanks for your advises...
Will see my Family Doc the 6 april and ask for bloodwork and hormones test.
Last night, with the help of my best friend, I was able to go to the shopping center... Driving th car is harder and harder... The ligths from the other cars make me blind...and trigger panic... and the fact that I have no reflex make me over sensitive to all the things around me... the others cars, peoples who walk on the street.. I always fear of doing a car crash because i'm not in a good health...
Anyway, I go to the best natural products store we have in town... And best is a BIG word... I mean that in the Quebec state, the natural products are very well control and we canno't find a lot of products like in the USA... I was surprise, I see a bottle of GABA pills... 45 $ for 60 pills... so expensive... I was looking for Inositol also because it's good for panic disorder, but they don't have this in the Canada...
I found the B5 and B6 vitamins alone, normally in the drugstore, we find only Vitamin B complex with all the B vitamins inside and in slow release caps, but I have a hard time to take them. I have high blood pressure and irregular pulse rate when I take a 50mg dose day of Vitamin B complex.
The B5 and B6 alone are in 250 mg dose... I find it to be high... for me... maybe I should start them with 1/4 of pill a day? I know that too much B6 vitamin can lead to high blood pressure and since i'm a lot sensitive to heart palpitations and have high blood pressure and irregular pulse rate, maybe a lower dose will be more good for me...to not increase the anxiety at least.
For the Licorice, I found only the deglycyrrhizinated liquorice ... 400 mg... I don't know if it's doing the same thing than the regular licorice on the cortisol? I know the deglycyrrhizinated liquorice is safer and don't cause high blood pressure... the regular one can do it. They don't sell the regular Licorice... well in the Quebec province... maybe somewhere else in the Canada...
For the syberian ginseng, I found only the Russian ginseng... I don't buy it... it was very expensive and in liquid form... Is it the same thing than the Siberian??? I know that Siberia is a part of Russia... but who know... lol
For the diet, thanks for your advise... will start it today !!! I already see that I have bad habits.. I eat a lot of bread, wheat and white rice and things like that... also, since I stop drinking coffee, I have the bad habit to drink cereal beverage, made of roast barley... it can be not good for me... and I use false sugar (Equal) who is not good also... will go buy the Stevia at the wallmart tonight ... They seel it for a cheap price.
Will do some research today to have a example of a menu for 1 day... I Try it in the past, but I don't keep the web link... I think changing my bad food habits will help for sure.
I can told you that I can't tolerate Soda drink now, I mean the one without caffeine like Sprite or 7'up... diet or not... Each time I drink one glass of it, I feel worse after... Same thing if I eat fast food like Mcdonald, fried foods or salty food... It's seem that i'm sensible to sugar and salt and fat also...
For the exercises, the cardio make me anxious for sure, adrenaline release probably, I remember that at the gym, when I was looking at me in a mirror, my eyes pupils was all dark!!! And I had a not stable pulse rate also...
I was not able to run on the treadmill because of the dizziness and all the others cardio machines was doing the same effect on me, after 1-2 minutes I was a lot dizzi and had to stop because if I was staying in the machine, I will had a panic attack for sure and nausea feeling...
BUT, I experience the same with the muscles exercises!!! Strange no??? Lifting weight, working my legs muscles or things like that was doing the same effect on me.
I start feeling a difficulty to breath and after I became dizzy, especially after I just ending a series of 10 repetitions of movements on a machine... I remember that I had a lot of panic attacks just after I stop the muscles exercises or while I was doing them...
It was the same on the bicycle, after 5 minutes, at a low speed and normal tension, I was feeling very weak, dizzy, especially when my pulse rate was reaching the 120 and more... pulse rate trigger panic on me... as well as head pain and migraine...
BUT, I also see a patern in the way panic attacks occurs at the gym... When I was doing exercises near my best friend, I was feeling more ok... not good but not bad... I had dizzi moments and weak moments, but panic attack show up only the first couple of weeks I start the gym...
Panic and physical fatigue occur more often when the gym was full of peoples... probably because of the social phobia...and the agoraphobia...and all the bright lights and loud sounds... and the fact that I had to take my shower there, I hate being nude in fromt of other persons... because of the weight loose and the extra skin...The looker room was something I had a lot of difficulty to handle...
One thing is sure... the gym trigger panic on me...
Another thing is sure, exercises was always harder for me... even as a child, it was difficult for me. I was poor in sports and had no physical toughness. I was never able to run for a long time and always walk slower than normal people... don't know why... Maybe because I was fat???
In a certain way, I understand that I can be seem like a hard and difficult patient to treat, from a PDoc point of view... but I don't do it on purpose and my anxiety disorders are real...
Well.. thanks again... for the B5 and B6 and Russian ginseng, can you told me if it's good or not?... Also, for the Inositol... or the Gaba... is it doing something good for anxiety?...
Thanks for your answer!!!
Vincent ;-)
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