Posted by Deneb on December 7, 2005, at 14:23:53
In reply to Re: handouts - my opinion question for Dr. Bob » Deneb, posted by Poet on December 7, 2005, at 10:48:37
APA web-page about the meeting:
http://psych.org/edu/ann_mtgs/am/06/Presenters
Dr. Bob
Kali Munro
AuntieMel
Annierose
ClearSkies
fallsfall
Dinah (maybe)
ghost
Deneb
10derHeart (maybe)APA small groups presentation will take place on Mon. May 22 from 9-10:30 am at the Toronto Convention Centre
> http://www.mtccc.com/parkingandmaps.cfm (ClearSkies)
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Online Peer Support Groups -- and Support Group Members
The Internet empowers patients by connecting them not only to information, but also to each other. This workshop introduces participants to two specific online peer support groups, one small and private, the other large and public. The moderators of the groups explain how the groups function, including what the goals of the groups are, how the group members interact, what topics are discussed, how the moderators moderate, and what the pros and cons of the groups are. The focus of the session, however, is small group discussion with group members about their experiences with this type of resource. In this workshop, in other words, patients are empowered to teach doctors. All participants regroup for concluding questions and answers.If people who couldn't be there wanted to contribute something in writing, maybe we could work that in somehow? (Dr. Bob)
___________________________________________________________________Perhaps those who cannot attend could contribute to a poster session (gg)
___________________________________________________________________The focus of the session, is small group discussion with group members about their experiences with this type of resource.
If anyone wanted to present something to the group as a whole, that would be great, but I was thinking there might be more interaction if after I gave a little introduction we split up into small groups, and there I think you could just answer questions...(Dr. Bob)
_________________________________________________________________I think a diverse group of posters would mean a range of perspectives, which would add to the experience.
I doubt real names would be necessary. They'll have mine and Kali's...(Dr. Bob)
___________________________________________________________________> > If you plan to distribute handout materials at your workshop, they must be approved in advance by the Subcommittee on Workshops. You need to submit a copy of the material ... by February 4, 2006.
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> And regarding confidentiality:
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> > We want you to be aware that APA has an open press policy at all scientific sessions during the meeting... For the purpose of news reporting, members of the media who have been credentialed by the APA Press Room may audio/videotape and/or take notes during any or all of these presentations except when patient confidentiality might be compromised or a presenter specifically requests no audio/videotaping by the press be permitted.
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> Should I request no taping by the press? No note-taking, even?
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> Bob
___________________________________________________________________________My first idea is that it might be good to have (at the very least) a handout of brief quotes from Babble users…
I would say it might be a good idea so say no taping, but to allow note-taking, unless all the Babblers who will be present (a) don’t mind being taped; or (b) prefer not to allow note-taking.
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> Tamar
___________________________________________________________________________Maybe you can do some general polls on here and summarize it on a handout. Maybe ask how often we visit the website, how helpful we find it, our level of participation, how many of the boards we use/participate in, etc. Just make it anonymous. And you can also ask things like if we have a tdoc/pdoc, have we told them about our participation in a board like this. Or something like, if our tdoc/pdoc had suggested using a support website like this, would we have taken their advice and joined. The list can go on and on and on. Since these are Drs, I'm assuming they'll love seeing numbers to back up whatever is said. I know I would! I love charts and graphs. :-D
thuso
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>I'm OK with audio and note taking, but not video.
> CS
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> > Will there be at least two of us in each small group?
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> I was thinking 1 poster per group would mean more and therefore smaller groups, but if people are more comfortable doubling up, that would be fine, too.
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> > Are all the attendees psychiatrists (MDs)? Will they be interested in medication management or in psychological things or both?
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> > fallsfall
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> It's mostly psychiatrists, but not exclusively. I assume there will be interest in both. (Dr. Bob)
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> > >I just need to know who's coming
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> > When do you need to know by?
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> I don't know, 5/1? That would give us 3 weeks to finalize things? What do you all think? (Dr. Bob)
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I personally think doing some surveys on here would be a great addition to a handoutAnd if you wanted people who aren't going to be given a chance to write something for a handout, that will take a lot of time also. (thuso)
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> If I were attending this presentation, I think I'd like to see a description of the different boards, maybe some user statistics, etc. on a handout.
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> gg
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Maybe we can describe the purpose of each board and how they are used. We can give some statistics about rates of posting and numbers of posters on each board (Deneb)
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> > > We definitely need to describe the various boards and show statistics on participation.
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> > Agreed. Should we come up with new descriptions of the boards or use the ones Dr. Bob gave us? Should we show statistics for each board or in general for the site?
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> > > Some segments of actual threads would be interesting to include. Show our different takes on things. We wouldn't have to include posting names.
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> > That's an interesting idea. Is there a page limit on the handouts? Can we do a small PowerPoint presentation?
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> Whatever you all would like to contribute is fine, but remember, what's unique is your experience and point of view...
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> Bob
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> Perhaps each of us should do our own personal handout with our *unique experience and point of view?* The format could look the same, just content would vary.
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> Plus some threads showing other points of view, too. Different takes from different posters.
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> Poet
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> I don't think that each person doing their own handouts will really be feasible.> So you have to think that the handouts have to be ready before 2/4 and they have to be approved in advance. On top of that, I'm assuming that they will have copies made for each presenter rather than them having to bring their own. I think it will be too chaotic for them to have to guess the number of copies of each handout to make and then keeping everything seperate and in order. It's a heck of a lot easier for them and us to make one handout. There is nothing that says it can't be multiple pages. So if people want to make individual handouts, it will probably need to be part of a packet that everyone gets rather than seperate handouts for each small group. I've helped put on conferences like this (almost as large), and I would have wanted to kill a presenter if they tried something like this because of the amount of work and inconvenience it would cause. I think either creating a universal handout that deals in generalities or a multi-page packet with some of our personal experiences (but kept simple) would be best.
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> But remember, the participants will probably take away from the presentation more from what you actually say than the personal experiences you have printed on a handout. At least, I would.
thuso
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> I'm not preparing anything at this point, Dinah. I'm going to go to Toronto to sit there and let people ask me questions. Unless we're otherwise requested, I don't see that there are any standard guidelines for us to follow for preparing handouts of our own. Maybe this is what Dr Bob is doing???
> I'm getting better at Wait And See.
> ClearSkies
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> Maybe we need something to focus on, and maybe then we can decide how we want to put it together for a handout.
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> I was thinking: if I had the opportunity to teach a bunch of therapists one thing, what would I want them to learn? And why is it important?
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> Is that a question that appeals to anyone else? If so, we can discuss it a little and open up ways of demonstrating the things that are important to us by including (for example):
> Things we’ve learned here
> Discussions or threads that were significant to us
> What kinds of things we come to Babble for
> Things we find useful about Babble
> Things we find frustrating about Babble
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> So, for example, if I wanted to teach therapists to understand clients’ confusion (or even desperation) about transference feelings, I’d probably write a couple of paragraphs about how people have supported me on the subject; how I’ve tried to support other people; how I’ve felt reading some of the things others have said about their transferential discussions with their therapists; and a note about the many newcomers who post to the psych board about transference and then don’t return. I wonder what happens to them; whether they tell their therapists, and whether their therapists handle it well or badly.
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> As for putting the handout together… Is there anyone with experience of this kind of thing who would like (or be willing) to take overall responsibility for its structure and content? I imagine it would have to be on the understanding that others would contribute.
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> I hope I’m not stepping on any toes here…
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> Tamar
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My idea was just that Kali and I would provide some background, we'd divide into small groups, posters would discuss their experiences here, and we'd come back together again at the end.
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> Maybe what's not clear is what exactly "discuss" means? I thought Tamar had good ideas:
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> > Things we’ve learned here
> > Discussions or threads that were significant to us
> > What kinds of things we come to Babble for
> > Things we find useful about Babble
> > Things we find frustrating about Babble
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> But don't go overboard in terms of preparation. It'll also be important, as ClearSkies said:
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> > to sit there and let people ask me questions.
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> There's probably a lot that you take for granted that they'll be clueless about!
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> Bob
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> I've been thinking about this, and I think perhaps we don't want to lose the focus of the session by trying to "teach" therapist about things like transference. I think what they will be interested in is the experience of on-line support itself - as Tamar said, why we come here and what we get from it. I think the exact issues are more or less background, it is more about why we come here to talk about them. Maybe we are all saying the same thing.
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> I'm thinking about the letter I wrote a long time ago trying to explain Babble to Fallsfall's therapist -- it was about support between sessions. And I think there should be some acknowledgement that there has been disagreement as to whether discussing things here interferes with an individual's therapy. If I was attending, I think this is what I would want to convey.daisym
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> I don’t want to go into a lot of detail about my personal history, but the broad issues are things I think could be discussed in the session, if people want to. And the handout could perhaps provide a bit more depth.
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> I think the issue of support between sessions is a really important one, and something that could generate some interesting discussions!
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> Tamar
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> > I guess one question I'd be interested in is who is the target audience? Are these pyschopharmacologists or people who do therapy? Or people who do mainly prescribing, but are interested in other aspects of psychiatric self help.
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> It's hard to know who's going to show up. Sorry about all the unknowns!
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> > Are you presenting Babble as mainly the medication board? Or more as the support community? Is the emphasis on Babble as a community where supportive relationships can be built? Or on Babble as a source of information?
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> I think it's both, so I'll try to present it that way. But FYI, I usually Google Effexor to demonstrate how people find Babble. Maybe I should post something at the main board so posters there can get involved, too?
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> Bob
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The interest could lie in questions about the accuracy of information on Babble, the implications of early side-effect information (we all knew many of the side effects the doctors and drug companies are only now admitting), and how much trouble Babble is likely to cause them in encouraging us to try to be our own doctors as opposed or challenge their opinions.
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> Or the interest could be in how Babble contributes or detracts from the therapeutic relationship. Fears about being negatively judged by posters. Or interest in how we encourage each other to be open and disclose things to our therapist that we might be otherwise unwilling to disclose.
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> Or the interest could be more along the nature of how well the internet can serve as a source of peer support. What problems could crop up by participating.
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> Or the interest could lie somewhere I can't even imagine.
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> Individual poster/presenters may vary widely in their knowledge of and interest in these and other various topics. And I see some potential for embarassment or awkwardness.
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> Maybe if we were more familiar with the contents of your presentation, we'd be more able to feel comfortable with our ability to be assets to the presentation?Dinah
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...the main idea is for you all to have an opportunity to say what's important to *you*, for example:
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> > Things we’ve learned here
> > Discussions or threads that were significant to us
> > What kinds of things we come to Babble for
> > Things we find useful about Babble
> > Things we find frustrating about Babble
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> I guess there might be questions along other lines, but if it's something you don't feel willing or able to address, I think it would be fine just to suggest that they ask in another small group or after we all regroup together.
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> Bob
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