![[dr. bob]](/dr-bob-sm.gif)
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.orgShown: posts 14 to 38 of 185. Go back in thread:
Posted by Happyflower on June 23, 2007, at 15:23:21
In reply to Re: perception of privilege » confuzyq, posted by fayeroe on June 23, 2007, at 14:58:47
Well I think it is more about the privilege of being a deuties friend.
They are only human, but the potential for unfairness is greater if our deputies are indivdual posters. A deputy's friend might say something on the line of civilness and their friend might not enforce the rules or "appear to turn the other cheek", the same as if it is someone who the deputy does not care for.
Not everyone receives the benefit of doubt when the post is "on the line" of civilness. Plus when other babblers report it or complain about certain posts we are likely to get told that 1) we didn't read the post, 2)nobody reported the post, so use the reply button, 3) I don't understand what was being said because it was in creative writing section, 4) they really didn't mean how it was preceived, 5) complete avoidence of the issue.Now if it was by someone who isn't well liked by the deputy, the posts will be gone over more carefully, almost like they are looking for something, to give out warnings or blocks. Plus sometimes deputies can "egg one on", knowing what they are saying is frusterating the poster, to get them to "be uncivil", and then get blocked.
Posted by Racer on June 23, 2007, at 18:51:57
In reply to Re: perception of privilege, posted by Happyflower on June 23, 2007, at 15:23:21
> Well I think it is more about the privilege of being a deuties friend.
> They are only human, but the potential for unfairness is greater if our deputies are indivdual posters. A deputy's friend might say something on the line of civilness and their friend might not enforce the rules or "appear to turn the other cheek", the same as if it is someone who the deputy does not care for.
>Actually, that hasn't been my experience.
First of all, my very first official PBC was given to someone I consider a treasured friend. I actually prefer to be the one to give a PBC to a friend, because then I know that it's being done fairly.
On the other hand, when it comes to posters I don't care for, I'm much more likely to examine more closely any possible reason NOT to PBC or block. I'm often afraid that my general antipathy for a poster might be leading me to see something that's OK as being uncivil, so I look much more carefully and am more likely to give the benefit of the doubt to that poster, so that I'm sure it's not my own bias.
I realize that a lot of posters believe that the enforcement of policies on this site is unfair. Yes, deputies -- and even Dr Bob -- are human, and we make mistakes. But I can promise you that we do our very best to be fair in our enforcement of the site guidelines. It can be a rough job, because there is such potential for bad feelings all around. My own solution, which is partially effective, is to remind myself that I do my best to be fair, and that's the best I can do. The rest is pretty much a matter of perspective.
That's just one deputy, talking about the experience of that one deputy. I hope that it is reassuring to someone here at the site, that we don't run willy-nilly around, giving out PBCs and blocks.
Peace
Posted by Happyflower on June 23, 2007, at 19:03:42
In reply to Re: perception of privilege » Happyflower, posted by Racer on June 23, 2007, at 18:51:57
Racer,
I have not noticed you doing any of the things I mentioned, but it would uncivil to name names or give specific examples, so what I said was vague across the board. I am sorry that you were included in part of that vagueness.
Actually I think you have been doing a very good job in my view.
Posted by zenhussy on June 23, 2007, at 20:58:12
In reply to Re: perception of privilege » Happyflower, posted by Racer on June 23, 2007, at 18:51:57
>>>That's just one deputy, talking about the experience of that one deputy.<<<
if you are deputy talking about experiences of deputy then why not sign in with new 'Deputy Racer'? thought the reason for new "Deputy" names for deputies was supposed to signify when this site's deputies are posting as deps. and not as 'normal' posters.
already confused!
Posted by gardenergirl on June 24, 2007, at 1:08:45
In reply to Re: perception of privilege, posted by Happyflower on June 23, 2007, at 15:23:21
> Well I think it is more about the privilege of being a ...
not even going to go there
> Plus when other babblers report it or complain about certain posts we are likely to get told that 1) we didn't read the post, 2)nobody reported the post, so use the reply button, 3) I don't understand what was being said because it was in creative writing section, 4) they really didn't mean how it was perceived, 5) complete avoidance of the issue.
...all of which can be appropriate options/responses for deputies.
> ... Plus sometimes deputies can "egg one on", knowing what they are saying is frusterating the poster, to get them to "be uncivil", and then get blocked.
Interesting theory. And yet no matter how frustrated someone might feel, that individual is still responsible for their own actions. I don't believe that one can legitimately deflect the responsibility for their own choice of actions onto another.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on June 24, 2007, at 1:16:44
In reply to Re: perception of privilege » Racer, posted by Happyflower on June 23, 2007, at 19:03:42
>but it would uncivil to name names or give specific examples, so what I said was vague across the board.
Golly, some folks might respond with demands to know who you're talking about. I think I'll pass on that, though. I'm concerned that others might perceive a post like that from me as being rude.
gg
Posted by Happyflower on June 24, 2007, at 6:08:51
In reply to Re: perception of privilege » Happyflower, posted by gardenergirl on June 24, 2007, at 1:16:44
> >but it would uncivil to name names or give specific examples, so what I said was vague across the board.
>
> Golly, some folks might respond with demands to know who you're talking about. I think I'll pass on that, though. I'm concerned that others might perceive a post like that from me as being rude.
>Golly, I am just explaining to Racer on why she was included in my statements, even though it didn't apply to her, my statements being limited by the civilness rules of the site.
Dr. Bob said we are allowed to post about our experiences, and that includes the experiences with deputies. He did open the converstation up about this, seemly wanting to know babblers viewpoints about the perception of privlilege of deputies.
Besides, like I have been told by you several times,isn't there a notification button to notify about posts that you have a problem with. Doesn't the rules apply to everyone? Or are some able to post about it on the boards while others aren't allowed? Just wanting to verify, because this pretains to the topic of this thread afterall.
Posted by Happyflower on June 24, 2007, at 6:33:39
In reply to Re: perception of privilege » Happyflower, posted by gardenergirl on June 24, 2007, at 1:08:45
> > ... Plus sometimes deputies can "egg one on", knowing what they are saying is frusterating the poster, to get them to "be uncivil", and then get blocked.
>
> Interesting theory. And yet no matter how frustrated someone might feel, that individual is still responsible for their own actions. I don't believe that one can legitimately deflect the responsibility for their own choice of actions onto another.Well sure, posters are responsible for their own actions, I never said they weren't, but it doesn't mean that this behavior doesn't happen. Plus remember a deputy is in a position of power, so the playing field is not equal. That power influences the reg. babbler and the deputy themselves, and effects how conversations flow on the boards. It works both ways and not always positive.
A real world example of this would be on how many individuals were forced (by the powers above them) to admit to a crime they didn't commit. Would you say that the power of one over another didn't have influence to force the innocent to plead guilty for a crime they didn't commit. Power always has the upperhand in life, and I am sure it isn't different on Babble either.
So can a babbler be "egged on", yes, but even though the babbler is responsible for their own actions, doesn't mean the effect of power of a deputy doesn't come into play here. That is why duel relationships are not encouraged between patients and clients in many professions. This is why I believe we need deputies that are not personal posters at the same time. I am not putting deputies down, I am just trying to show how the position of power or privilege effects other babblers on the board, from a perspective of another babbler.
I truely believe that when a deputy takes off their badge of duty on the boards, that badge whether worn or not, still has effects on other babblers perceptions and actions with them. It is still babblers responsiblity to act withing the guidelines, but remember we are not on the same level playing field.
Posted by fayeroe on June 24, 2007, at 10:18:08
In reply to Re: perception of privilege » gardenergirl, posted by Happyflower on June 24, 2007, at 6:33:39
"So can a babbler be "egged on", yes, but even though the babbler is responsible for their own actions, doesn't mean the effect of power of a deputy doesn't come into play here. That is why duel relationships are not encouraged between patients and clients in many professions. This is why I believe we need deputies that are not personal posters at the same time. I am not putting deputies down, I am just trying to show how the position of power or privilege effects other babblers on the board, from a perspective of another babbler."
HF, remember the experience where the professor set up certain class memebers with authority and others with none? it went south really quickly.
i'd ignore the carrot today, if i were you......xoxoxo
Posted by Happyflower on June 24, 2007, at 12:11:47
In reply to Re: perception of privilege » Happyflower, posted by fayeroe on June 24, 2007, at 10:18:08
LOL, thanks for the carrot warning! I am able to resit the carrot, I don't even plant them in my garden, I prefer tomatoes at least my bunny rabbits leave them alone. :-) LOL
Posted by gardenergirl on June 24, 2007, at 13:09:34
In reply to Re: perception of privilege » gardenergirl, posted by Happyflower on June 24, 2007, at 6:08:51
I see that you're asking me these questions, or at least it appears so based on your reply. I've answered them to the best of my knowledge. However, you might wish to ask them of Dr. Bob or one of the active deputies for an "official response" if you feel you need one.
> Besides, like I have been told by you several times, isn't there a notification button to notify about posts that you have a problem with?
Um, still yes.
> Don't the rules apply to everyone?
Um, still yes.
> Or are some able to post about it on the boards while others aren't allowed?
Not that I'm aware. You might find more about this at http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20070605/msgs/764332.html
> Just wanting to verify, because this pertains to the topic of this thread after all.
okay
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on June 24, 2007, at 13:14:26
In reply to Re: perception of privilege » gardenergirl, posted by Happyflower on June 24, 2007, at 6:33:39
> That is why duel relationships are not encouraged between patients and clients in many professions.
I heartily agree. "Duel relationships" between patients and clients, and also between professionals and their clients are a really really bad idea. Bad for business, too.
> I truly believe that when a deputy takes off their badge of duty on the boards, that badge whether worn or not, still has effects on other babblers perceptions and actions with them.
That is helpful information, thank you.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on June 24, 2007, at 13:19:35
In reply to Re: perception of privilege » Happyflower, posted by fayeroe on June 24, 2007, at 10:18:08
> HF, remember the experience where the professor set up certain class members with authority and others with none? it went south really quickly.
F,
You're not comparing the student "guards" in the Stanford Prison Experiment by Zimbardo with members of the admin team here, are you?gg
Posted by fayeroe on June 24, 2007, at 14:02:29
In reply to Stanford Prison Experiment? » fayeroe, posted by gardenergirl on June 24, 2007, at 13:19:35
> > HF, remember the experience where the professor set up certain class members with authority and others with none? it went south really quickly.
>
> F,
> You're not comparing the student "guards" in the Stanford Prison Experiment by Zimbardo with members of the admin team here, are you?
>
> ggdo you perceive it that way?
Posted by gardenergirl on June 24, 2007, at 14:06:41
In reply to Re: Stanford Prison Experiment?, posted by fayeroe on June 24, 2007, at 14:02:29
Posted by fayeroe on June 24, 2007, at 14:20:57
In reply to What would it mean if I do? (nm) » fayeroe, posted by gardenergirl on June 24, 2007, at 14:06:41
Posted by muffled on June 24, 2007, at 14:33:15
In reply to Re:what does it mean to you? (nm), posted by fayeroe on June 24, 2007, at 14:20:57
Posted by Happyflower on June 24, 2007, at 14:51:45
In reply to Aaaaarghhh. WALK AWAY. (nm), posted by muffled on June 24, 2007, at 14:33:15
Posted by fayeroe on June 24, 2007, at 15:41:54
In reply to Aaaaarghhh. WALK AWAY. (nm), posted by muffled on June 24, 2007, at 14:33:15
Posted by Happyflower on June 24, 2007, at 21:51:35
In reply to LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (nm), posted by Happyflower on June 24, 2007, at 14:51:45
Posted by Dinah on June 25, 2007, at 8:14:52
In reply to Re: perception of privilege » Happyflower, posted by fayeroe on June 24, 2007, at 10:18:08
Do you have any idea of how it feels to be a member of a group of four or five people who are being compared to that experiment?
Do you have any idea what it feels like to wake up every morning and read Admin?
I may be an arrogant prig, but I had the insane idea that I was doing good here. I even used to tell my therapist that I felt like this was my calling to do good in this world.
What an idiot I was.
I haven't told him that in a very long time. I've told him that I seem to be spending an awful lot of my time causing an awful lot of harm, and that it's one more area in my life where everything I do is wrong. There are so d*mn many of those.
Posted by Dinah on June 25, 2007, at 8:37:15
In reply to Re: perception of privilege, posted by Happyflower on June 23, 2007, at 15:23:21
I recognize those things as things I've said to you at one time or another.
I am not a liar. If I said them it's because I meant them.
And I don't know who you might think my friends are, but if you take a poll of the people I feel closest to, I think many of them will tell you they've been PBC'd by me at some point.
And perhaps most importantly, it's hard to give a PBC to a friend, but it's even harder to give one to someone you might have other feelings about. I personally pass on posts where I think it's at all possible that I might have a conflict of interest. The other deputies, I'm sure, will attest to that as will Dr. Bob.
For whatever this is worth, which likely is abolutely nothing whatsoever.
Posted by muffled on June 25, 2007, at 9:33:04
In reply to Ouch., posted by Dinah on June 25, 2007, at 8:14:52
You've pbc'd me etc and I still think your great.
I like dinah the poster too.
You've supported me LOTS.
Please try and not be bothered by stuff.
This will pass.
Its just a resettling.
Gonna be OK.
I think you doing a REALLY good job, really I do.
Muffled
Posted by muffled on June 25, 2007, at 9:35:23
In reply to Ouch., posted by Dinah on June 25, 2007, at 8:14:52
We just people.
Thats all.
Warts and all, we just people.
We don't wanto hurt.
We want to be loved.
Cared about.
((((((((((((Babblers)))))))))))
M
Posted by henrietta on June 25, 2007, at 19:28:18
In reply to Not taking the carrot, yup! stayin' cool! (nm), posted by Happyflower on June 24, 2007, at 21:51:35
Good for you!!! Too bad the carroteer couldn't resist. What a sign of health and wisdom that would be.
h
Go forward in thread:
Psycho-Babble Administration | Extras | FAQ
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.org
Script revised: February 4, 2008
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl
Copyright 2006-17 Robert Hsiung.
Owned and operated by Dr. Bob LLC and not the University of Chicago.