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Posted by Susan47 on September 16, 2004, at 19:11:23
In reply to Re: letter to my T re: our affair/ discretion, posted by Jadah on September 15, 2004, at 18:41:13
absolutely right-on wasn't it. You're amazing, I'm in awe of that last sentence.
How come Babblers seem to know themselves better than people in real life? I mean, we don't always get it right, especially when we're feeling hurt; but we seem to be thinking about the same things, I mean, dealing with ourselves on a level that I'm not feeling in RL.
Posted by Jadah on September 16, 2004, at 23:09:24
In reply to Re: please be civil » Jadah, posted by Dr. Bob on September 15, 2004, at 20:44:13
Dr.Bob
I apologize for the oversight, I had removed a lot prior to posting. I would so love to hear your advice/input on my situation, especially since you are the expert and a professional! Please????!!!!
Jadah
Posted by Jadah on September 16, 2004, at 23:15:28
In reply to Above was for Dr. Bob, maybe I should've, posted by Susan47 on September 16, 2004, at 18:55:44
Thank you for your support. I see his point, I might have offended someone. I wonder what is going on with you that you are feeling so rebellious? Sounds like you are having a hard time??... spill it, that's what we are here for. Hope to hear from you soon. Take care...
Jadah
Posted by Jadah on September 16, 2004, at 23:25:01
In reply to Above was for Dr. Bob, maybe I should've, posted by Susan47 on September 16, 2004, at 18:55:44
I run to the computer like a child in a candy store waiting to hear from all of you. I dont know what I would do without this outlet. I actually found this site accidently....blessing in disguise. The only downside is not being able to correspond immediately, back and forth. I hate posting and then waiting.... I wonder if someone else in my situation will come forward and share their experience, strength and hope. I know there are more people than myself who have been VICTIMIZED, TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF.... well, not completely, I have free will. I really wish I could talk to Dr.Bob too. You guys are great though! I hope you all are doing well. I feel like I take up everyone's time. I would like to be able to help you, give you advice, be supportive.... hope to talk to you all soon. Take care all
Jadah
Posted by Susan47 on September 17, 2004, at 0:19:08
In reply to Re: Above was for Dr. Bob, maybe I should've, posted by Jadah on September 16, 2004, at 23:15:28
Shoot, darn and drat you mean I'm *not* banned? Sheesh. What do I have to do to get banned?
Posted by Susan47 on September 17, 2004, at 0:37:26
In reply to Re: Dr.Bob, please help!, posted by Jadah on September 16, 2004, at 23:09:24
I think your use of the word "fuck" was wonderful. Totally in context, completely useful. That was an important way to express yourself, and I'm proud of you for doing it. Oh dear, why're you apologizing?
Posted by Susan47 on September 17, 2004, at 0:39:38
In reply to Re: my life savers...., posted by Jadah on September 16, 2004, at 23:25:01
turn on your Babblemail, can't you? This is a candy store, well and truly.
Posted by Susan47 on September 17, 2004, at 0:44:01
In reply to Re: Above was for Dr. Bob, maybe I should've, posted by Jadah on September 16, 2004, at 23:15:28
I don't think I have anything left to spill, I think I'm pretty much spilled out right now. Thank god. I mean this happens with me once in awhile (and I bet I'm not the only one in the world it happens to?) and I just have to spill it, let it all out in a high-energy assertive way or I start to really hurt physically. Sorry, I never meant to rant on the boards, but I don't really want to stop it from happening for me that way, either. This is exactly the type of stuff I'd phone my ex-T with. I have no idea why it happens or why it's like this for me, it just is.
Posted by Jadah on September 17, 2004, at 0:54:22
In reply to Re: Above was for Dr. Bob, maybe I should've, posted by Jadah on September 16, 2004, at 23:15:28
are you still there? How do I turn on my psychobabble?
Jadah
Posted by Jadah on September 17, 2004, at 0:55:38
In reply to Re: Above was for Dr. Bob, maybe I should've, posted by Jadah on September 17, 2004, at 0:54:22
were on at the same time, dont go...
Jadah
Posted by Susan47 on September 17, 2004, at 1:08:29
In reply to Re: susan, are you still here?, posted by Jadah on September 17, 2004, at 0:55:38
Scroll down the screen until you get to "register" then click and follow instructions. (Update your registration window and enable Babble for yourself.) Just follow the instructions and you can't go wrong. Make sure you scroll down the page until you find what you're looking for, that's all.
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 18, 2004, at 1:15:47
In reply to Re: please be civil » Jadah, posted by Dr. Bob on September 15, 2004, at 20:44:13
> Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20040902/msgs/392226.html
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Jadah on September 19, 2004, at 6:19:56
In reply to Redirect: administrative issues, posted by Dr. Bob on September 18, 2004, at 1:15:47
I talked to my T tonight about the letter I gave him. Our conversation was cut short because he was meeting with his friend Paul. He said there is still a lot that we need to talk about. He reassured me that we was not going to leave me and that he actually agreed with a lot of the things that I wrote. God, I am so angry. Should I be grateful that he's not going to leave me??? Please. I asked him if he could honestly tell me that we would never be together again and he said "no, thats part of the problem". I want him to suffer and hurt like I am. He says he loves me very much....is this how you show it, by hurting me just like every other man in my life???? Am I supposed to feel special??? F*ck him. My friend said that he is hurting and he does love me that he's not like the other men. She told me I need to grow up. Maybe, but right now I am just too torn. I want to know what is going on in his marraige that he is never home. What's with that? Is his wife playing susie homemaker while he goes out with his buddies or is his marraige on the rocks? Maybe it is none of my business, but I used to wonder when he was still laying in bed with me at 2am. Get this, I was apologizing to him for feeling the way I am. Everything has always been about him. I want him to see how bad I hurt. I want to.... awh, whats the use... Im drunk and angry. A lethal combination. F*ck him and f*ck me for falling for it all..... I dont know what will become of me..of us. Who cares.......................................How do you like me now????? Sometimes I just feel like nothing matters, including my life. Yah, if I took that maybe then he'd have to own up to his part. Love just isnt worth the pain. I can create enough of that in my own life, I dont need his help. F*ck it. F*ck him, F*ck life in general, Im sick of trying to get better and fight for what????? Maybe when I sober up tomorrow I will feel differntly....NOT
Jadah
Posted by Jadah on September 19, 2004, at 6:21:53
In reply to Re: my T, posted by Jadah on September 19, 2004, at 6:19:56
Why wont you respond to me??? Do you really exist?
Posted by Dinah on September 19, 2004, at 7:42:42
In reply to Re:Dr.Bob, posted by Jadah on September 19, 2004, at 6:21:53
It's nothing personal, Jadah. This board is designed for us to support and educate each other. Dr. Bob is only involved on an administrative basis.
Posted by Pfinstegg on September 19, 2004, at 12:38:50
In reply to Re: my T, posted by Jadah on September 19, 2004, at 6:19:56
You did a really hard and courageous thing- stopping the sex. But, it's so sad to say, there's something even harder ahead of you- stopping seeing him. Every feeling you have- the love, the rage, disappointment, continuing need and dependency- is what everyone would have. Could you gradually start interviewing other therapists, taking your time, and making sure you find one who really feels right for you? Anyone in your situation would need to process all these extremely painful feelings at length. But you can't do it with him- you really need a new person whom you can feel safe and trusting with. Just the facts that you and he shared love, and that you had the health and strength to realize it was better for you to stop it means to me that you have a promising life ahead of you- you will do all these things again with a man who is yours. Don't waste any more time on this *******!
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 19, 2004, at 13:45:41
In reply to Re:Dr.Bob » Jadah, posted by Dinah on September 19, 2004, at 7:42:42
Posted by gardenergirl on September 19, 2004, at 13:56:37
In reply to Re: my T » Jadah, posted by Pfinstegg on September 19, 2004, at 12:38:50
Posted by kindgirl on September 19, 2004, at 14:55:48
In reply to Re: my T » Jadah, posted by Pfinstegg on September 19, 2004, at 12:38:50
Jadah,
My heart is in agony with you in this!! I have read everything so far, and I have been thinking about it a lot.
I think you need to cut off all communication with him as soon as possible. He is just stringing you along. No matter HOW wonderful he is...HOW great a therapist he is, or how great a lover he is, you are torturing yourself by prolonging this. I am so sorry.It is not for me to tell you what to do...but it is like watching a dog get hit by a car over and over again. I really believe in the bottom of my heart that this will just hurt you more, and I don't want that! Dump him for good. If he is meant to be for you, then it will work out. You can't sit and wait for him the rest of your life. I know, I have been there with a married man before. It just prolonged my agony by hoping we could get back together. :( He never left his wife...my dream never did come true...
I just hate to see you suffer so. I hope you can use your anger to start taking really good care of YOU...find another therapist as fast as you can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Transition over to the new therapist gradually.
No matter how great it was...what happened was WRONG. He overstepped the line. That is the bottom line. If you can pull back and look at this from an observing point of view, you would agree. The problem is your heart is broken and you love the man. That is understandable.
Thanks for continuing to write, vent, post...my prayers are with you today. I care for you and don't want to add any more pain to you. I just want the best for you.......
Posted by Jadah on September 19, 2004, at 20:57:01
In reply to been watching this thread..., posted by kindgirl on September 19, 2004, at 14:55:48
thank you for your feedback. I do agree that I need to find another therapist.... I think I might have someone in mind. I would like to try a few sessions with him first (or with whomever) before I leave so it is a smooth transaction. Things I have thought about that concern me.... will my insurance cover me seeing two therapist even if it is short term... I wouldnt want my T to find out Im leaving that way. Im afraid I will constantly be comparing a new therapist with mine now, and in that sense they could never win. Will I seduce/persue a new therapist or hurt from overwhelming transference and impending rejection? Can they give me the love that my T is (holding me when I cry, slipping a tear or two when I talk about something tragic in my life, giving me extra time if I need it, calling me outside hours when Im upset....hugging me after, during session. I know I cant expect an "I love you" from another therapist. To stay with him on a theraputic level means hurt, to leave means the hole in my stomach will never get filled. Are you guys starting to see that Im not as together as you thought I was. Whats really weird is that my T and I could literally be colleagues. Professionally we are on the same tier. I just chose to step out of this feild for awhile. We both agreed that we have more talking to do. Ill keep you all posted. Live in my drama....dont create your own.
Jadah
Posted by Jadah on September 19, 2004, at 21:08:18
In reply to Re: kindgirl, posted by Jadah on September 19, 2004, at 20:57:01
Im not even sure that I could talk to another proffessional about my situation without them trying to report him. I live in a small town. Everyone in the mental health community knows that I was seeing my T at the agency and then left to go with him when he went private. People would figure it out and I dont want him to get in trouble and lose his lisence. I want a professionals opinion but without fear so I can be honest. That is why I wanted to talk to Dr.Bob., I need someone who could be impartial. I would really like to find out some statistics, so I know that this does happen to other people and IM not alone. I am thankful for the support that I get here from you all. Sorry about my other message the night I was drunk. very bad day.
Jadah
Posted by steelmagnolia25 on September 19, 2004, at 21:29:53
In reply to Re:what if..., posted by Jadah on September 19, 2004, at 21:08:18
Jadah,
I've been reading your post from the very first and my heart goes out to you. I experienced a very strong mutual attraction to my ex-T and I used to agonize about the fact that we couldn't have a personal relationship. At one point he terminated me (somewhat similar to Susan's term.) because he wasn't sure how to handle my feelings. I went crawling back to him 2 weeks later and we continued therapy until I could find someone new. Even then, I felt heartbroken for months and now I still do the inevitable comparisons between old and new T.
I'm posting to you now just to say "thank you" for the incredible insight to your situation. Now that I have some distance from my ex-T coupled with your posts I thank God that we didn't begin a sexual relationship. I know I would be suffering right along with you in this. Without your posts, I'm not sure I would still have the strength to stay away from him or not contact him. THANK YOU.
I hope that you are able to find a new T and that with time and distance away from your current T you will be able to make other decisions regarding your relationship and whether or not to tell your new T about him. I wish you the best. Please know that many of us out here are silent but cheering you on in our hearts.
Posted by Pfinstegg on September 19, 2004, at 21:42:53
In reply to Re:what if..., posted by Jadah on September 19, 2004, at 21:08:18
Jadah, my analyst shocked me by saying that it happens to about 3000 people (mostly, but not all, women) every year. Also, any future therapists cannot report him- only you can do that, if you choose to. They are bound by a sacred trust to keep everything you tell them 100% private.
Posted by pegasus on September 19, 2004, at 22:15:11
In reply to Re:what if..., posted by Pfinstegg on September 19, 2004, at 21:42:53
Just wanted to clarify that this isn't completely true. In most states in the US, therapists are legally and ethically bound to maintain the confidentiality of their clients within certain limits (e.g., not in cases of imminent suicide or homicide). And Pfinstegg is right that reporting a colleague for illegal and unethical behavior is not usually enough of a reason to breach that confidentiality. So, if they reported the situation in any way that breached your confidentiality, then you could sue them. But it's possible that they might think up a way to report your T without actually breaching your confidentiality.
I don't think a good T would do that, because it would obviously negatively affect your therapeutic relationship with that person. But technically it's possible. I think it's something you might want to keep in mind.
pegasus
Posted by Pfinstegg on September 19, 2004, at 22:38:22
In reply to Re:what if..., posted by pegasus on September 19, 2004, at 22:15:11
Pegasus is right- the only exceptions, legally, are if the therapist feels like there is an imminent danger of suicide or homicide. But, it's true- you live in a small town where the therapists probably know a lot about what goes on. When you find someone you want to work with, it would probably be very reassuring to get the question of confidentiality about what happened right out on the table. It really is a big topic you'll need to spend a lot of time working through, and you do need to feel certain that the therapist you choose will keep 100% confidentiality.
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