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Posted by babak on December 9, 2003, at 22:01:50
Hi
Does anyone know how to get hold of some of this stuff. It sounds great and since it has already been used on humans I can't see what harm it can do. I am on Paroxetine and I have pretty much turned into a vegetable with lethargy and mental weariness. I can't remember the last time I managed to ejaculate and as to sex drive; what is that?
My girl friend has had enough and is about to call it the day. A breakup like this is bound to make my depression far worse than any possible side effect of a drug which has already been tested. But doctors don't give a damn and go on arguing the same old crap.
I manage an erection using Viagra and go through the motions of having sex but I don't really enjoy it anymore.
So if some knows of how I can get hold of a few D-cycloserine please you can contact me on bbkmay59@hotmail.com.
I am desperate, I am sure if I weren't so lethargic and could actually feel something I would kill myself.
Posted by Notalis on December 10, 2003, at 6:24:41
In reply to D-cycloserine, posted by babak on December 9, 2003, at 22:01:50
Don't give up.
Marry your girlfriend and it'll be harder for her to leave--just joking.
I just say if my husband and I weren't married he would have left me a long time ago!
But, if you do break up, maybe it will give you time to focus on yourself, and not worry about anyone else. Maybe it's selfish, but i think I could probably pull myself together faster if I didn't have to worry about the hubbie and kids for awhile, you know?
Good luck to ya
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 10, 2003, at 7:53:13
In reply to D-cycloserine, posted by babak on December 9, 2003, at 22:01:50
> Does anyone know how to get hold of some of this stuff...
I'd like to redirect this thread to Psycho-Babble Alternative. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20031204/msgs/288293.html
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by babak on December 10, 2003, at 10:41:44
In reply to Re: D-cycloserine, posted by Notalis on December 10, 2003, at 6:24:41
Thanks Notalis. I get your point about recovering faster without the pressures of relationships and family. That it is why I gave them all up for almost twenty years and was on my own until fourteen months ago. I went through years of therapy, medication & ECT. After 15 years I was desperate for a relationship and I do get a lot of emotional benefits from what I have now. Knowing that it is difficult for most people to put up with my depression, I think it will be a shame if I have to lose it over sex.
Posted by Notalis on December 10, 2003, at 11:02:44
In reply to Re: D-cycloserine » Notalis, posted by babak on December 10, 2003, at 10:41:44
But that is a choice your partner has to make. I guess I can't understand too much her point of veiw because I am interested in sex about once a month, and it lasts for, hmmm, 3 minutes, then back to the same ol'.
I feel really sorry for my husband but he's very patient and sweet. But at least I can physically do it, even if I don't want to. It must be hard (no pun intended) to be a guy because if you can't, then you can't.
My problem has a lot to do with being on prozac, and hormones, and bad past experiences that have put me off.
I'm only 33 so I'm hoping things will shape up.
I've downloaded all the episodes of Sex and the City for encouragement!!!
My doctor wants to put me on depakote, do you know anything about it?
Posted by glenn on December 10, 2003, at 11:14:36
In reply to Redirect: D-cycloserine, posted by Dr. Bob on December 10, 2003, at 7:53:13
Its a drug Dr Bob, anti tb !!
Posted by babak on December 10, 2003, at 11:28:56
In reply to Re: D-cycloserine, posted by Notalis on December 10, 2003, at 11:02:44
No I don't know much about depakote. I thought it was more suitable for manic depression.
Have you tried many different SSRIs?
I think reponse to any given drug depends on the individual and specific social factors they have to deal with. So I think it is worth while to try as many as you can on six to ten week basis. Unfortunately doctors in UK don't think like that and it is very difficult to get them to change one's medication. It took me five years to convince my doctor to come off Venelafaxine and opt for Paroxetine and three years to change from Prozac to Venelafaxine. I had less (different) sexual problems with Venelafaxine but I was under constant tension and open to anxiety triggers. Beleive me I prefer Paroxetine but I still think there is something better out there if I only could get my doctor to listen. I have only tried about half a dozen. NHS's attitude is that if these didn't work the chances are that none of the others work either.
I think their attitude is criminal but who is there to listen?
Posted by Notalis on December 10, 2003, at 12:41:13
In reply to Re: D-cycloserine » Notalis, posted by babak on December 10, 2003, at 11:28:56
Well, I'm in ITALY, where they are at least 20 years behind on the whole medical scene.
I have a small amount of psychotherapy from my psychiatrist, but it's mostly just med checks.
I have a hard time in therapy because I've only been speaking Italian for 6 years.
When you're sick in the head it's hard to put what you feel into words, and when it's in another language, well it sucks.
I've been on paxil, prozac, zoloft, effexor, sera-something, and an anti-anxiety drug that made me have anxiety attacks, and I don't remember what else.
This is all in the last 8 years.
Now my doc thinks I have cyclothymia, a mild form of bipolar disorder and instead of lithium, I guess it is common to use an anti-convulsant like depakote or neurontin.
I'm hesitant to take the depakote because it says side effects are hair loss, weight gain and all-over itching.
Wow, I'll be REAL attractive, huh?
Are you suffering from depression? What is the D-cycloserine for?
I haven't spoken to ANYONE about my depression/whatever outside my immediate family or doctor EVER.
I don't know you or anyone else here but it feels kinda good to know I'm not the only mad person in the world.
Posted by babak on December 10, 2003, at 14:04:03
In reply to Re: D-cycloserine, posted by Notalis on December 10, 2003, at 12:41:13
Actually when my madness first started I was living in Paris at the time and I had only been speaking French for two years. So I know the feeling but I managed to find an English Psychoanalyst in Paris. You might be able to do the same. Anyway when I lost my job my analyst agreed that I should come back to UK as I no longer had full health insurance which came with the job and an English psychoanalyst in Paris is very expensive.
Anyway I must admit that therapy helped a great deal in learning to cope with my illness but it never managed to find where the roots of the “problem” were/are. But it did get rid of a lot of the confusion surrounding it. I don’t think there is a root to my problem as such. My mother has similar symptoms and so did her father, so I think a lot of it is hereditary. It is just that mine came to head because of a set of underlying circumstances. Basically in my case there was a last straw and broke the camel’s back where it wasn’t the case for my mother and her father. You could put that down to a thousand and one things; modern live, over education, roots displacement or any other hype jargon that have come and gone over the past twenty years. Anyway the problem is that broken backs are not easily healed, even when all the weight is removed from them; that is what the therapy did.
I have somewhere in my system a fault which is a source of irrational anxiety. All the medications try to tackle this by dampening the secondary effects of anxiety which used to be done by my own psyche before my breakdown. In doing so they also dampen all the good stuff as well and that manifests itself in depression, which again is what my own psyche used to do before and that was why I was depressed even before my breakdown. This is fundamentally the whole basis of western medicine, i.e. in 90% of time they treat the symptoms rather than the disease. From what I have managed to understand from the research stuff on the web, D-cycloserine prevents the anxiety from being produced in the first place and thereby should have little side-effects in the way of creating depression or dampening my enthusiasm for life. However none of this is for sure and the only proof of the pudding is still in eating it.
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 11, 2003, at 0:48:30
In reply to Re: Redirect: D-cycloserine, posted by glenn on December 10, 2003, at 11:14:36
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