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Posted by Meltingpot on February 23, 2016, at 11:56:51
In reply to Morning Terror. Please, please read this., posted by 4WD on May 17, 2005, at 22:21:29
Hi,
I know you say you've tried APs but have you tried 10mg of Zyprexa when you are experiencing this terror. I had feelings of terror at work the other day, due to start up anxiety on Seroxat/Paxil, I took 10mg of Zyprexa, woke up feeling fine the next day and even better the day afterwards.
Denise
Posted by Anna354 on February 23, 2016, at 13:21:59
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this., posted by Meltingpot on February 23, 2016, at 11:56:51
> Hi,
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> I know you say you've tried APs but have you tried 10mg of Zyprexa when you are experiencing this terror. I had feelings of terror at work the other day, due to start up anxiety on Seroxat/Paxil, I took 10mg of Zyprexa, woke up feeling fine the next day and even better the day afterwards.
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> DeniseHi yeah i had to stop taking zyprexa because it caused me such serious restless legs that i intermittently had to keep jumping up and pace. It drove me nuts i could hardly sleep and even tasks like driving were affected. I tied wearing a tens unit on my lower back to avert my mind ftom the rls feeling and i was overjoyed when my dr and i finally realized it was the cause.we thought i wss iron deficient. He has me on a large dose of seroquel at night that Knocks me out but also thedreams haven't changed from the zyprexa to the seroquel so i dont know what to think :(
Posted by Escapee on February 23, 2016, at 13:43:44
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this., posted by Meltingpot on February 23, 2016, at 11:56:51
> Hi,
>
> I know you say you've tried APs but have you tried 10mg of Zyprexa when you are experiencing this terror. I had feelings of terror at work the other day, due to start up anxiety on Seroxat/Paxil, I took 10mg of Zyprexa, woke up feeling fine the next day and even better the day afterwards.
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Hi. The night terrors you talke about here is, i think, a different kind of 'terror' symptoms. Some have it just before waking whilst for some it happens when drifting off. But I don't mean to be-little your issues or symptoms in any way.
For me its almost always upon waking. There is a name for them- hypnogogic hallucinations.
I've had them on and off for years, but when it happens, no matter how much I try telling myself "it'll be over in a few seconds" and it really is a very short experience. Seconds. Yet its always been as bad as the last. And it often (not always) follows a bad dream, but not always.
What gets me most is its paralyzing effect. I try to move. Sometimes I can pull myself out of it. This often happens even when im feeling well.It can happen once in a blue moon or every day for weeks. Now i know there is no stopping it I've less fear of it happening because I've no choice. Still scary when it happens. Soon as I can move I sit upright strait away. Sometimes though, when its over its so tempting to go back to sleep. And if i do it often repeats. I gotta get up and stay up!Escapee
Posted by Escapee on February 23, 2016, at 13:50:12
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this. » Meltingpot, posted by Escapee on February 23, 2016, at 13:43:44
Perhapse im wrong. Thinking about it night terrors might be something else other than hypnogogic hallucinations. I have on occasion moved and even fought whilst asleep. Worst was when I gave my poor partner a black eye. Soon as I did it I awoke and knew exactly what id done. Very difficult to explane to people esp the victim!
Escapee
Posted by Anna354 on February 23, 2016, at 13:51:35
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this. » Meltingpot, posted by Escapee on February 23, 2016, at 13:43:44
> > Hi,
> >
> > I know you say you've tried APs but have you tried 10mg of Zyprexa when you are experiencing this terror. I had feelings of terror at work the other day, due to start up anxiety on Seroxat/Paxil, I took 10mg of Zyprexa, woke up feeling fine the next day and even better the day afterwards.
> >
> >
> Hi. The night terrors you talke about here is, i think, a different kind of 'terror' symptoms. Some have it just before waking whilst for some it happens when drifting off. But I don't mean to be-little your issues or symptoms in any way.
> For me its almost always upon waking. There is a name for them- hypnogogic hallucinations.
> I've had them on and off for years, but when it happens, no matter how much I try telling myself "it'll be over in a few seconds" and it really is a very short experience. Seconds. Yet its always been as bad as the last. And it often (not always) follows a bad dream, but not always.
> What gets me most is its paralyzing effect. I try to move. Sometimes I can pull myself out of it. This often happens even when im feeling well.It can happen once in a blue moon or every day for weeks. Now i know there is no stopping it I've less fear of it happening because I've no choice. Still scary when it happens. Soon as I can move I sit upright strait away. Sometimes though, when its over its so tempting to go back to sleep. And if i do it often repeats. I gotta get up and stay up!
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> Escapee
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Hi
Yeah i had come across that hallucinations thing yesterday and wondered if that was what i was experiencing. I only get them in the morning and you're right they dont last long usually wheni get up its not longat all. Strangely i can wake in the middle of the night with no nightmare and go back to sleep just seems to be at my usual timeof getting up. I used to be able to be lazy and fall back asleep before theonset of these in 2014 but when i have them i have no choice but to get up. Is this a life phase or something? Anyone had it go away with no interference?
Posted by SLS on February 23, 2016, at 13:53:21
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this. » Meltingpot, posted by Escapee on February 23, 2016, at 13:43:44
I wonder if prazosin would help. It definitely reduces markedly the intense nightmares associated with PTSD. Maybe you can look into it. The drug is an old antihypertensive that is inexpensive.
- Scott
Posted by Anna354 on February 23, 2016, at 13:54:48
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this., posted by Escapee on February 23, 2016, at 13:50:12
Oh whoops! Yes i have been single since then too my ex had complained of me flailing and talking in my sleep now that i think about it
Posted by Anna354 on February 23, 2016, at 13:57:47
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this., posted by SLS on February 23, 2016, at 13:53:21
> I wonder if prazosin would help. It definitely reduces markedly the intense nightmares associated with PTSD. Maybe you can look into it. The drug is an old antihypertensive that is inexpensive.
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> - ScottOh good idea I'll look into that one...I've definitely had a lot of traumatic incidents especially in the last 5years but never diagnosed with ptsd although i did consider that this could be stress related
Posted by Escapee on February 23, 2016, at 14:02:55
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this., posted by Anna354 on February 23, 2016, at 13:51:35
> Hi
> Yeah i had come across that hallucinations thing yesterday and wondered if that was what i was experiencing. I only get them in the morning and you're right they dont last long usually wheni get up its not longat all. Strangely i can wake in the middle of the night with no nightmare and go back to sleep just seems to be at my usual timeof getting up. I used to be able to be lazy and fall back asleep before theonset of these in 2014 but when i have them i have no choice but to get up. Is this a life phase or something? Anyone had it go away with no interference?
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Perhaps when you wake in the night with no problems and go back to sleep, maybe its coz u've had your OWN optimal amount of sleep your own perfect amount of sleep. Just a thought but experiment maybe? Some people need very little sleep, yet they suffer when having a (supposedly) full recommended 8hrs. Many people live quite happily with 5hrs sleep. Just thinking out loud.
Escapee.
Posted by Hugh on February 26, 2016, at 13:48:15
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this. » Hugh, posted by Anna354 on February 22, 2016, at 21:17:06
Scott's prazosin recommendation is a good one. Do you think your condition might have been triggered by stress over your move from the US to Canada?
One of the several things that can cause morning terrors is sleep apnea. Have you ever had a sleep lab test to rule this out? If you snore, there's about a 50% chance that you have sleep apnea.
Posted by Anna354 on February 26, 2016, at 13:56:44
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this. » Anna354, posted by Hugh on February 26, 2016, at 13:48:15
> Scott's prazosin recommendation is a good one. Do you think your condition might have been triggered by stress over your move from the US to Canada?
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> One of the several things that can cause morning terrors is sleep apnea. Have you ever had a sleep lab test to rule this out? If you snore, there's about a 50% chance that you have sleep apnea.Yeah it is a good i think. Not only might i have ptsd from moving back to Canada i wouldn't be surprised if i had it from having Lyme disease for 5years which really put a wrench in things. Not only did it take me 2years to get diagnosed its hard to get drs to treat you for it and i developed allergies to pretty much every fruit vegetable nut spice personal care products i had bad mcs andi was so weak i couldn't get out of bed for more than 3months. Its s terrible disease. Im making an appointment with my psychiatrist. My counselor keeps telling me i have alot on my plate right now too. I know all about sleep apnea my ex husband has it and i know i dont snore so i think i can rule that out.
Thanks for the responses
Posted by Whisker on March 4, 2016, at 21:47:20
In reply to Morning Terror. Please, please read this., posted by 4WD on May 17, 2005, at 22:21:29
61 year-old Female, Post menopausal
Diagnosis 1977: Unipolar Depression
Diagnosis 2007: BipolarI have been on just every psych med that has been available since 1977.
For the past almost 10 years I've been on:
Celexa 20 mg
Lamictal 300mgI have often had morning "fears," which recently morphed into morning TERRORS which often lasted for hours and might reappear as "sniper" Terror attacks during the day. Also racing, circular thoughts, jumpiness, inability to concentrate, intractable sadness, etc.
Then, about a month ago, my daughter's future father-in-law jumped in front of a train, killing himself. It spun me completely out of control.
Long story short, I was just hospitalized for a week. Landing there was only a matter of time as I shockingly discovered upon this admission that celexa and lamictal are both anti-depressants. I was never ON anything for mania because I fell through the healthcare cracks (it's complicated) before that was attended to. I thought both sides had been addressed all that long time. Yikes!
In the hospital, they immediately jettisoned the Celexa. Instead, I began taking at night:
Zyprexa 5 mg (mood stability)
Lamictal 300mg (depression)This Zyprexa (Lamictal mix?) has SO FAR (1 week) been a MIRACLE for me. (and one week of ANYTHING good IS a miracle!)
Not only have my morning terrors been reduced to a level of 3 ( 0-10 scale, 0 = none), which last only about 15 minutes, but I am calmer and my thoughts are more measured and focused than I ever remember occurring in my LIFE. I have no racing thoughts or panic attacks, AND miracle of miracles, I am NOT hungry. Not just a loss of appetite but NO appetite.
No appetite allows me to eat healthy foods in appropriate quantities at appropriate times.
I've tried meds before that created intense hunger pains within hours after taking them. I stopped them immediately. Zyprexa seems to be all about weight GAIN, which, initially, was a whole new set of terrors for me - especially when I discovered it was working so well for the mania. Frankly, I can't figure it out. I'm just hoping it lasts!!
Everyone's body chemistry is so unique and so finely tuned that you can never tell what might happen to any given individual taking any given drug and dose but I figured I'd jump in here and share my experience after stumbling across this post online.
This is so amazing that I fear it will be too good to be true. Whether you're religious or not (I'm not), please pray to god for me that this keeps on keepin' on because I'd like to think I could make at least a muti-year run on this before my metabolism changes again.
I don't know whether it matters that I'm 61, that I'm a woman, and/or that I'm post-menopausal but Zyprexa - along with lamictal? - may be worth a try for those of you who are bipolar, regardless of age, sex, etc.
If I don't repost, assume that everything is going well with no changes.
Thanks to you all for your many contributions. They have been invaluable to me :o)
Best,
Whisker
Posted by Phillipa on March 5, 2016, at 11:22:19
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this., posted by Whisker on March 4, 2016, at 21:47:20
Lamictal is a mood stabalizer? Phillipa
Posted by Escapee on March 5, 2016, at 11:46:24
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this. » Anna354, posted by Hugh on February 26, 2016, at 13:48:15
>If you snore, there's about a 50% chance that you have sleep apnea.
Oh yes. Snoring can ruin lives and especially if u slčep with a partner! But there a quick fix. No kiddin a previous doc of mine gave me a great tip which worked! (Single now so not sure if i still snore or not). I was told that snoring is at its worst when u lay on ur back. He told me to try either strapping a tennis ball to my back or fix one to the bedding u lay on. WOW WORKED A TREAT! Once asleep you simply do not roll on the ball. And u dont realise it once ur asleep. My gf was over the moon!
Posted by Escapee on March 5, 2016, at 11:48:24
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this. » Hugh, posted by Escapee on March 5, 2016, at 11:46:24
Oh, and i found phenelzine (Nardil) the worst culprit of all.....
Posted by ianral on March 11, 2016, at 12:52:02
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this. » Hugh, posted by Anna354 on February 22, 2016, at 21:18:37
Taking a high dose of Effexor gives me the same sleep/awake symptom. 1 mg of Xanax helps me sleep.
Posted by B2chica on March 14, 2016, at 14:56:34
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this. » Hugh, posted by Anna354 on February 22, 2016, at 21:17:06
i havent read all the posts but have you done a sleep study?
also, have you tried Prosazin?
b2
Posted by B2chica on March 14, 2016, at 15:03:37
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this. » Anna354, posted by B2chica on March 14, 2016, at 14:56:34
sorry, just read posts. seemed several others suggested this med. its used much with PTSD. i was on it for a bit but reacted badly to it so i had to get off (worsened depression). however, it is shown to be highly successful.
i also have mostly hypnogogic but some hypnopompic issues. yours actually sounds a little different. almost more anxiety invoked. i think thats why i thought prosazin would help.
good luck.
b2
Posted by Hugh on July 14, 2016, at 14:38:16
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this., posted by lfitzge on December 12, 2015, at 9:52:47
The maker of this device claims that it reduces night terrors, and claims an efficacy rate of 80%.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/could-this-device-cure-your-childs-night-terrors/
If night terrors are being caused by PTSD, the beta-blocker propranolol could help. 60 Minutes did this story about propranolol and PTSD:
Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhK0EX4G018&feature=related
Posted by porkpiehat on July 19, 2016, at 23:06:55
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this., posted by Hugh on July 14, 2016, at 14:38:16
I have terrors and weird depersonalized systems through most of the night. 2mgs of prazosin has done a lot to help.
Posted by SLS on July 20, 2016, at 6:04:11
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this. » Hugh, posted by porkpiehat on July 19, 2016, at 23:06:55
> I have terrors and weird depersonalized systems through most of the night. 2mgs of prazosin has done a lot to help.
You might have a more robust improvement at night and throughout the day by increasing your dosage of prazosin and taking it three times per day. I take 30 mg/day taken as 10 mg t.i.d. The manufacturer states that the maximum dosage of prazosin is 40 mg/day. Higher dosages of prazosin can improve both anxiety and depression for the entire day.
You may get good results at 12 mg/day taken as 4 mg t.i.d.
Good luck.
- Scott
Posted by Porkpiehat on July 20, 2016, at 13:45:44
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this. » porkpiehat, posted by SLS on July 20, 2016, at 6:04:11
> You might have a more robust improvement at night and throughout the day by increasing your dosage of prazosin and taking it three times per day. I take 30 mg/day taken as 10 mg t.i.d. The manufacturer states that the maximum dosage of prazosin is 40 mg/day. Higher dosages of prazosin can improve both anxiety and depression for the entire day.
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> You may get good results at 12 mg/day taken as 4 mg t.i.d.
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I'm a little worried about my ability to exercise, study, etc., on such a high dose of alpha blocker
> Good luck.
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> - Scott
Posted by SLS on July 20, 2016, at 16:39:19
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this. » SLS, posted by Porkpiehat on July 20, 2016, at 13:45:44
> I'm a little worried about my ability to exercise, study, etc., on such a high dose of alpha blocker
What makes you say this?
- Scott
Posted by porkpiehat on August 2, 2016, at 12:57:12
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this. » Porkpiehat, posted by SLS on July 20, 2016, at 16:39:19
> > I'm a little worried about my ability to exercise, study, etc., on such a high dose of alpha blocker
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> What makes you say this?
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> - ScottScott:
my understanding of adrenaline/NE blockers is that they are made to lower blood pressure, heart rate, and can cause some sedation. I've had problems exercising on beta blockers.
Posted by Escapee on August 2, 2016, at 13:26:49
In reply to Re: Morning Terror. Please, please read this. » SLS, posted by porkpiehat on August 2, 2016, at 12:57:12
> my understanding of adrenaline/NE blockers is that they are made to lower blood pressure, heart rate, and can cause some sedation. I've had problems exercising on beta blockers.
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>Be careful if you have diabetes or similar illnesses that can make u feel faint, as beta blockers can can mimic some side effect of other meds & illnesses. Like diabetic meds or insulin & hypoglycemia. I think the only diabetic med NOT to cause hypoglycemia is Metformin used for type 2s.
MAOIs, known for their blood-pressure lowering effects including dizziness can be problematic too.
Carry on :)Escapee
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