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Posted by jparsell82 on September 18, 2003, at 7:20:17
Hey, I tried a combination of D-Phenylalnine and Picamilon tonight. I really like the effects of the Phenylalanine. It makes me more motivated, happy, confident, talkative. I think it could work really well with a benzo. D-Phenylalanine also works not just by enhancing dopamine levels but by increasing the endorphins in your body. I didn't notice the normal pains I usually have while taking it. Does anyone know if D-Phenylalanine can be taken regularly or if you develope a tolerance if taken daily??
Posted by Larry Hoover on September 19, 2003, at 6:34:26
In reply to D-Phenylalanine - Works Great, posted by jparsell82 on September 18, 2003, at 7:20:17
> Hey, I tried a combination of D-Phenylalnine and Picamilon tonight. I really like the effects of the Phenylalanine. It makes me more motivated, happy, confident, talkative. I think it could work really well with a benzo. D-Phenylalanine also works not just by enhancing dopamine levels but by increasing the endorphins in your body. I didn't notice the normal pains I usually have while taking it.
Yes, that's correct, it is an inhibitor of the enzyme enkephalase, the one that degrades enkephalins (a class of endorphins).
> Does anyone know if D-Phenylalanine can be taken regularly or if you develope a tolerance if taken daily??
As far as I know, tolerance does not develop.
Lar
Posted by DSCH on September 19, 2003, at 14:00:40
In reply to D-Phenylalanine - Works Great, posted by jparsell82 on September 18, 2003, at 7:20:17
D-phenylalanine is the wrong form to contribute to dopamine production (you need L-phenylalanine for that). However it can be used by the body to make beta-phenylethylamine instead.
Posted by Kacy on September 19, 2003, at 16:13:57
In reply to Re: D-Phenylalanine - Works Great » jparsell82, posted by DSCH on September 19, 2003, at 14:00:40
> D-phenylalanine…can be used by the body to make beta-phenylethylamine instead.
DSCH: What is beta-phenylethylamine good for?
I use the dl-phenylalanine. I'm choosing some more supplements to add to my mix. Am I right in choosing niacinamide? Do you know of any others that would be good?
Posted by DSCH on September 19, 2003, at 17:59:11
In reply to Re: D-Phenylalanine and beta-phelylethylamine » DSCH, posted by Kacy on September 19, 2003, at 16:13:57
> > D-phenylalanine…can be used by the body to make beta-phenylethylamine instead.
>
> DSCH: What is beta-phenylethylamine good for?Well, it's yet another neurotransmitter IIRC. It's supposedly one that gets released in larger quantities during the initial stages of falling in love, so it presumably has stimulant and mood and libido elevating effects.
> I use the dl-phenylalanine. I'm choosing some more supplements to add to my mix. Am I right in choosing niacinamide? Do you know of any others that would be good?
Larry Hoover would know more about the niacin vs. niacinamide choice than I do.
Are you shooting for more dopamine and norepinepherine? The thread up above with my "back in the saddle" post has links to more information upon which I based my regimen. YMMV however.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20030903/msgs/261032.htmlI am bit concerned about the Protein 95 I use given that it is a soy product and there's potential problems with soy isoflavones and what not.
Posted by jparsell82 on September 19, 2003, at 21:05:20
In reply to Re: D-Phenylalanine - Works Great » jparsell82, posted by DSCH on September 19, 2003, at 14:00:40
> D-phenylalanine is the wrong form to contribute to dopamine production (you need L-phenylalanine for that). However it can be used by the body to make beta-phenylethylamine instead.
Yes, but I'm pretty sure some d-phenylalanine converts into l-phenylalanine.
Posted by jparsell82 on September 19, 2003, at 21:07:56
In reply to Re: D-Phenylalanine - Works Great » DSCH, posted by jparsell82 on September 19, 2003, at 21:05:20
You take DLPA daily right? Any superior brand... I was going to get the source naturals. Also how many tablets/capsules do you take a day? Thanks for the info.
Posted by DSCH on September 19, 2003, at 22:06:29
In reply to Re: D-Phenylalanine - Works Great » DSCH, posted by jparsell82 on September 19, 2003, at 21:05:20
> > D-phenylalanine is the wrong form to contribute to dopamine production (you need L-phenylalanine for that). However it can be used by the body to make beta-phenylethylamine instead.
>
> Yes, but I'm pretty sure some d-phenylalanine converts into l-phenylalanine.Reference?
Posted by DSCH on September 19, 2003, at 22:11:32
In reply to DSCH: dlpa dosage??, posted by jparsell82 on September 19, 2003, at 21:07:56
> You take DLPA daily right? Any superior brand... I was going to get the source naturals. Also how many tablets/capsules do you take a day? Thanks for the info.
Not any more. I drink protein powder in water now and have been doing fine (taking so many large capsules gets old after a while).
I was taking between 4 and 6 of GNC's DLPA 400 daily (1600-2400 mg DLPA, 50% D-/50% L-). I can't say whether any brand is better than the other. I am pretty sure GNC's did some good for me though.
Posted by jparsell82 on September 19, 2003, at 22:46:53
In reply to Re: D-Phenylalanine - Works Great » jparsell82, posted by DSCH on September 19, 2003, at 22:06:29
> > > D-phenylalanine is the wrong form to contribute to dopamine production (you need L-phenylalanine for that). However it can be used by the body to make beta-phenylethylamine instead.
> >
> > Yes, but I'm pretty sure some d-phenylalanine converts into l-phenylalanine.
>
> Reference?http://www.mind-boosters.com/chapter_13.html#PHENYLALANINE%20AND%20TYROSINE
I thought I read it here but I'm not sure, it's been a long time.
Posted by DSCH on September 20, 2003, at 15:56:31
In reply to Re: D-Phenylalanine - Works Great, posted by jparsell82 on September 19, 2003, at 22:46:53
> > > > D-phenylalanine is the wrong form to contribute to dopamine production (you need L-phenylalanine for that). However it can be used by the body to make beta-phenylethylamine instead.
> > >
> > > Yes, but I'm pretty sure some d-phenylalanine converts into l-phenylalanine.
> >
> > Reference?
>
> http://www.mind-boosters.com/chapter_13.html#PHENYLALANINE%20AND%20TYROSINE
>
> I thought I read it here but I'm not sure, it's been a long time.
>
>Not here.... did a quick skim and he never mentions enantiomers of aminos (except in the table, where he leaves them out all except for L-dopa, because it is never just called dopa). :-)
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