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Posted by McPac on December 7, 2003, at 22:29:49
Was reading an excerpt from Sherry Rogers (of holistic notoriety) in which she said to only use liquid magnesium because the hard tablets don't absorb into your system. Whatcha think Lar?
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 8, 2003, at 8:41:45
In reply to Larry, question re: magnesium, posted by McPac on December 7, 2003, at 22:29:49
> Was reading an excerpt from Sherry Rogers (of holistic notoriety) in which she said to only use liquid magnesium because the hard tablets don't absorb into your system. Whatcha think Lar?
I think you should stop reading books by quacks. That's what I think.
Milk of magnesia (magnesium hydroxide), for example, is often supplied as a liquid, but it is not dissolved magnesium.....the milkiness is due to very fine solid particles suspended in water. It's no more absorbable than mag hydroxide tablets. They both need to be dissolved first. The only advantage is that the liquid form already has small particles, but if you chew the tablets (like you're sposed to)....
Lar
Posted by McPac on December 9, 2003, at 20:23:33
In reply to Re: Larry, question re: magnesium » McPac, posted by Larry Hoover on December 8, 2003, at 8:41:45
"I think you should stop reading books by quacks. That's what I think".
>>>>>>>> I love it!!! You are TOO COOL Hoovermeister!!! Only how do you (I) KNOW who is a quack and who isn't??? What I've been trying to determine is if I want to do a body detox/cleansing plan.....you know, first detox the colon, then the liver/gallbladder...that kind of thing........I feel so darned sluggish/lethargic/tired/fatigued....especially SINCE I started taking a bunch of supplements (per Pfeiffer).....some of it may be due to bipolar (the fluctuations in energy levels), some may be due to this crummy sunLESS, dark, Winter season also....but I've heard that a sluggish, clogged liver/colon/gallbladder could also contribute to these sluggish, lethargic feelings.....hence, I was trying to determine if a colon/liver cleanse might be worth my while.......also, I've heard that many, many people (perhaps even a higher % of psyche patients, like bipolars) could use a body detoxing for Candida/parasites, etc.....in fact, a while back there was a dude with a website whom I asked you about (he wrote how bipolar was NOT a disease and stressed taking steps like detoxing to kill parasites, etc....you said that you knew the guy and that you had a lot of his info on your computer somewhere....I THINK that Allan might have been his name but I could be wrong about that)....anyway, I'm wondering if there would be possible benefits to doing these colon/liver-type cleanses....to clean out backed-up, wastes in the body? I don't know if that is quackery or not? It makes sense that a body, esp. people that eat and drink the kinds of fast "garbage" foods found in American diets today (along with environmental toxins, etc), would have loads of putrafied crap clogged in their systems......,what do you think of the idea of colon/liver cleanses Lar? I don't know, when it comes to a lot of these health-related thingys, what is quackery and what isn't. These can be done quite inexpensively, often VERY inexpensively.
Milk of magnesia.............................but if you chew the tablets (like you're sposed to)....
>>>>>>>>> Lar, you don't mean that all magnesium tablets need to be chewed first do you? I don't recall seeing any of my mag. glycinate directions saying to chew the tablets first.
Later Hoover...you RULE! (Lar, I remember you saying that you also hated these sunless, dark Winters.....they suck don't they....hope you are well Hoover!!!)
Posted by McPac on December 9, 2003, at 20:43:30
In reply to Larry, question re: magnesium, posted by McPac on December 7, 2003, at 22:29:49
Lar---somebody sent me this recently, thought I'd post it below for your perusal (I've read a good bit about the Leaky Gut Syndrome before...below is just a bit about cleanses, leaky gut, etc......what do you make of this stuff Lar, i.e. colon/liver cleanses, etc.?)
Owen Richard Pemberton
(Self Help Alternative Program for Enlightenment)An alternative healing program is for those individuals who want to reverse the “Root Cause” of their health problems (an accumulation of environmental chemical and/or internal toxins, with contributing nutrient deficiencies and stress), rather than simply covering-up their symptoms with prescription and/or over-the-counter drugs, while the root cause is still “Eating Away” at their health. A healing program includes 1) going on an elimination diet 2) detoxing your colon, liver and kidneys 3) eradicating any existing candida and/or parasite problems 4) healing your inflamed and leaky gut lining (digestive tract) 5) reestablishing your friendly bacteria 6) taking supplements and herbs to rebuild and strengthen your internal body and 7) learning how to relax, because “Stress” is a co-factor, if not the root cause, of many peoples health problems.
When we experience indigestion, belching, gas, acid reflux, constipation and/or diarrhea, backaches, sinus problems, grinding and clenching the teeth, etc., these are all “Early Warning Signs” telling us that we need to change our diet and start detoxing our elimination organs. If these warning signs are ignored, as most of us do from a lack of knowledge, then health problems are inevitable. There is no disease called “Aging” like doctors would have you to believe and your health problems “Are Not” due to a prescription drug deficiency.
The first thing that I need to enlighten you on, concerning reversing your health problems, is to “Avoid The Dangers” of taking antibiotic and steroid drugs, like Cortisone, Prednisone, and Birth Control Pills, which destroys the lining of your digestive tract and compromises what little immune system you may have left to fight with. These prescription drugs, as well as many over-the-counter drugs, like Advil and Tylenol, will destroy your reserve of Friendly Bacteria, which is an important part of your immune system! Birth Control Pills create hormonal changes that encourage yeast overgrowth problems (candida albican)
It amazes me that every time my wife or I go to a doctor for a general checkup (just to keep a doctor handy in case of an emergency) and they ask, what drugs are you taking? When they hear the answer “None” they look at me with disbelief and immediately try to think of something to write me a prescription for.
Sherry A. Rogers, M.D.
(Anti-Inflammatory Drugs)When pain grabs your attention, your first response may be to “reach for Aleve or Advil” as the TV commercial says. What medicine chest, gym bag or purse doesn’t contain one of these magic pain relievers? And if pain reaches staggering heights, your doctor can then prescribe even stronger variations of the same family of drugs. These include medicines like Motrin (ibuprofen), Naprosyn, Orudis, Indocin, Tolectin, Lodine, Feldene, Clinoril, Anaprox, Toradol, Nalfon, Voltaren, Celebrex, and Vioxx.
All of the above anti-inflammatory drugs do nothing towards restoring function or enable you to find the “Root Cause” of your chronic pain and inflammation, but they do have pretty nasty side effects. They can cause fatal liver and kidney damage, fatal hemorrhage from the bowel, as well as irreparable damage to vision. What is more astounding is that they actually cause bone to deteriorate. And the longer they are taken, the more bone they destroy, with the unsuspecting victim accumulating more osteoporosis and osteopenia. The latest studies shows that Vioxx and Celebrex can cause your Bladder to completely stop working, which requires a trip to the hospital to be catheterized.
Furthermore, NSAIDs have been implicated in promoting and accelerating a multitude of diseases, like heart failure. Over 20% of folks in heart failure have a long history of NSAID use for joint problems. The problem is that inflammation protects the heart from our daily chemical assaults in our air, food and water. If we turn it off, we allow the heart to burn out prematurely, which is exactly what occurs.
One of the worst parts of the NSAIDs, however, is that they can cause the “Leaky Gut Syndrome”. This causes larger spaces to develop between the cells in the gut lining. These larger spaces between cells inhibits the normal function of the gut (digestive tract).
When the normal function of the gut is disrupted and damaged, one of the nasty results is that you no longer absorb the minerals and other nutrients your body needs to completely heal injured areas and regain your health.
For the Leaky Gut does more than initiate arthritis; it can not only perpetuate it, but also initiate any other disease you can think of. For once the gut gets leaky, it can not only cause chemical and food sensitivity, chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia, but auto-immune diseases like lupus, thyroiditis, rheumatoid arthritis, diabetes, myocarditis and multiple sclerosis. And recall that the more you hurt, the more NSAIDs you take; but NSAIDs are one of the principal causes of the leaky gut to begin with…. the very substance that initiated this avalanche of seemingly unrelated symptoms. No wonder the Sick – “Get Sicker”***
I realize, as I hope you now do, that conventional doctors have intentionally lied to us about the health-threatening side effects of taking antibiotics and steroid drugs, which they continue to prescribe like they were candy. These drugs only serve to further stimulate the production of yeast and candida overgrowths. Do you think that doctor’s realize that these prescription drugs only serve to cause us more serious health problems on down the road so they can continue making a profit off the general public by simply treating the over 80 different symptoms that a Candida/Leaky Gut problem can exhibit? I personally think that both the doctors and the pharmaceutical companies fully realize what a “Huge Profit” they can make by keeping us sick and unaware of the health risk that prescription drugs create.
This is a picture of why antibiotic, anti-inflammatory and steroid drugs are responsible for creating a “Vicious Cycle” of over 80 unexplained health problems. We have both Friendly Bacteria and Yeast living in our Colon and it’s the friendly bacteria, which keeps the yeast “In Check” or under control and from moving up and into our Intestinal Tract, where it would cause us all kinds of health problems. However, due to our use of prescription and over-the-counter drugs, along with consuming an unhealthy diet, our friendly bacteria become depleted and once this occurs, the yeast is then allowed to moves up and into our intestinal tract, where it was “NEVER” intended to go. Once the yeast gets into our intestinal tract, it then changes into a fungal form called Candida Albican and grows out of control (fungal overgrowth), which also sets the stage in your intestinal environment for a parasite infestation. Candida is not a disease in itself; it is a condition indicating an internal imbalance. I’ve found that most individuals, who have a Candida problem, also have a parasite problem, due to their consumption of meat products, drinking tap water, handling pets, etc.
After a period of time, this Candida/Parasite problem creates a secondary health problem called “Leaky Gut Syndrome” which causes our stomach lining (digestive tract) to become irritated and inflamed. This inflammation/deterioration eventually causes tiny tears or holes (root like projections) to penetrate/breach the surface of our stomach lining, which then allows toxins from our ingested foods and beverages to pass or leak (leaky gut) through and into our bloodstream. This destructive process creates health problems like autoimmune diseases (arthritis, lupus, MS, etc.) and all kinds of allergy reactions to food, beverages, etc., which we were once able to consume without experiencing any negative side affects, like rashes, hives, rosacea, etc. A Leaky Gut is also the cause of depression, memory loss, and confusion problems. If this leaky gut problem is left untreated, more serious health problems will start to develop, like MCS (multiple chemical sensitivity), which is the next step in the leaky gut process.
Sherry A. Rogers, M.D.
(Leaky Gut Syndrome)By now it should not surprise you to realize that if the colon and/or the gut is not healthy then the rest of the body cannot be. For this is where all food and healing nutrients are absorbed. Furthermore, if the gut becomes damaged or leaky, then it allows bacteria problems of putrefaction and toxins to get into the bloodstream (autointoxification). These not only make people achy with inflamed tissue and tender trigger points (fibromyalgia), but also tired and depressed.
So in addition to new food, chemical allergies and autoimmune diseases, the leaky gut victim may develop mineral and vitamin deficiencies, even in spite of taking adequate levels of supplements. He would be lucky to get away with only a symptom or two, for nutrient deficiencies are at the beginning of all diseases!
Now you can begin to appreciate another mechanism for how the Sick – Get Sicker when the “Root Cause” of symptoms is merely “Masked” by drugs and not looked for. For if the leaky gut is chalked up to “irritable bowel disease” or “spastic colon” or “nervous colon” as it often is, the victim is on the fast road to further illnesses.
So what do people who have arthritis, chronic fatigue, chemical sensitivity, headaches, depression, confusion (brain fog), chronic sinusitis or asthma, irritable bowel, chronic pain, etc., all have in common? They usually go to various specialists, few of whom will ever test for leaky or hyper permeable gut. Instead they prescribe more drugs to cover-up or mask symptoms, drugs that can cause or worsen the leaky gut. Always remember, regardless of the “Label” of your problem, if the gut is not healthy, you will never reverse your health problems, until you first heal your leaky gut problem***
Our world is on the verge, of an epidemic of women giving birth to babies that are born with infections and other unexplained health problems. Without realizing it, many expecting mothers are infected with a candida/leaky gut problem, due to their previous use of antibiotic and steroid drugs. Therefore, many babies are infected with these same health problems at birth, due to their immature immune system and are plagued with health problems, like earaches and allergic reactions to milk and foods, as well as many other unexplained health problems. However, you will notice that mothers, who have had a C-Section performed, seem to give birth to healthier babies.
Professor Steven Rochlitz
(Candida Overgrowth in expecting mothers)Through research I have hypothesized that acetaidehyde (a dangerous form of alcohol) which Candida Overgrowth creates in an unsuspecting mother, is able to cross the placental barnier and affect the fetus brain resulting in corpus callosum anomalies by blocking acetylcholine receptors therein and resulting in dyslexia, ADD, ADHD, as well as other unexplained health problems.
Another relatively recent health problem that’s occurring in our western civilized world by collusion between orthodox, medical physicians and the drug industry in order to sell the scientific-sounding “Baby Formulas” is the lack of “Breast Feeding”. This practice leads to nutrient deficiencies and lack of protective antibodies (weakened immune system), which also sits-up the stage for parasite and candida infections that lead to intestinal permeability problems in infants.
The absence of, or an insufficiently lengthy breast –feeding process, which builds protective antibodies (at least 6 to 9 months) will lead to a lifetime of susceptibility to protozoan parasitosis and its subsequent permeability and subsequent candidiasis, viral syndromes, allergic disorders, etc***
I’ve heard many complaints and negative reactions from individuals, who have tried reversing their health problems the alternative way, without receiving the positive results that they were looking for. There are three reasons for this disappointment 1) they fail to “First” perform the internal detoxification of their elimination organs 2) they don’t follow or understand the importance of going on an elimination diet and 3) instead of approaching their healing program in a “Chronological Order” they go at it in a haphazard way of taking this or that supplement, which is like putting The Cart before The Horse. It simply will not work.
Another stumbling block is the “Time Frame” that it takes to reverse a serious health problem the alternative way. It has taken you years of abusing your internal body by consuming an unhealthy diet and taking antibiotic and steroid drugs, which has started a very slow destructive process of bacteria, fungus, parasite and leaky gut problems, along with the accumulation of a toxic waste build-up in your colon and liver, to finally cause your internal body to end-up in the diseased state that it’s presently in.
It personally took me over four years of research and trial and error, before I was able to develop a healing program that was capable of reversed the following life threatening health problems that I was suffering with; Crippling Rheumatoid Arthritis – M.S. – Systemic Candida Albican – a Severe Leaky Gut problem – Stress /TMJ (bracing) and a extremely congested Liver and Gallbladder problem, which alone was responsible (the root cause) for 24 symptoms that I was experiencing. However, with this knowledge that I’m relating to you, you should be able to cut this time frame in half, depending on your determination and the seriousness of your health problems.
Through experience, I’ve found that you shouldn’t put too much faith in Lab Tests because even if the test results are accurate (they usually aren’t) conventional, as well as many alternative doctors, have no idea of what to do to correct or reverse the negative symptoms of your test results; therefore, what good are they? I would instead suggest, that you simply consider the “Possibility” that you are indeed experiencing all of the following health problems and take all of the “Preventative Steps” needed to cover all the bases, thereby eliminating any possibility of excluding important steps in your healing program. This way, you will be spending your hard-earned money and time on supplements to detox and rebuild your internal body that are capable of increasing the quality of your life!
What conventional doctors consider as being diseases, like arthritis, fibromyalgia, lupus, MS, asthma, cancer, cardiovascular problems, etc., are really just “Symptoms” of an accumulation of toxins in the bloodstream, brought on by a progressively impaired Liver.
Cancer and AID’s are not a diseases in themselves but rather an accumulation of the following health problems; a toxic colon – a systemic candida and/or parasite overgrowth – a weakened and congested liver – nutrient deficiencies and to much stress in your life. It’s no wonder that most of these victims never regain their health, due to the multiple health problems, which has lead to their deteriorating health status.
If you have life threatening Cancer or AIDS, the following supplements and treatments are a must if you want to reverse these life threatening health problems: Dr. Schulze’s “Blood D-Tox Formula” – Livatone Plus - Digestive Enzymes taken between meals – Garlic – Chapprell - Green Tea - MGN-3 - Vitamin B-17 (apricot seeds) - liquid Potassium - Pau D’ arco - IP-6 with Inosital. You would also want to follow a “Macrobiolic Diet” and be sure to massage your sore/tender Lymph’s everyday.Sherry A. Rogers, M.D.
(Cardiovascular Problems)Lucky for us, the Master Biochemist has made one vitamin (E-Gems Elite) that stands out head and shoulders against all the rest in slowing down arteriosclerosis, calcifications and unwanted clots as well as down regulating (decreasing) the oxidation of LDL cholesterol making it attach to blood vessel lining like Velcro. Alpha-tocopherol not only lowers the bad LDL cholesterol, it turns down the damage from other inflammatory indicators, especially the tumor necrosis factor.
This is unbelievably empowering information that all cardiologists should be telling their patients about! In fact, this form of Vitamin-E has done such a great job in preventing the progression of plaque in coronary arteries that it has even done so in patients dumb enough to continue smoking***
Posted by Ron Hill on December 9, 2003, at 21:13:49
In reply to Re: Larry, question re: magnesium » McPac, posted by Larry Hoover on December 8, 2003, at 8:41:45
> Milk of magnesia (magnesium hydroxide), for example, is often supplied as a liquid, but it is not dissolved magnesium.....the milkiness is due to very fine solid particles suspended in water. It's no more absorbable than mag hydroxide tablets. They both need to be dissolved first. The only advantage is that the liquid form already has small particles, but if you chew the tablets (like you're sposed to)....
Kinda hard on the teeth, ain't it? Not to mention the taste! Do you truely advocate chewing Mg tablets or are you just pulling our collective legs?
What about your other vitamins? Do you chew them as well?
Say it ain't so!
-- Ron
Posted by McPac on December 9, 2003, at 23:06:46
In reply to Re: Do you really CHEW your magnesium tablets? » Larry Hoover, posted by Ron Hill on December 9, 2003, at 21:13:49
Just wanted to say "hi" Ron!
Hope you've been well dude!
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 10, 2003, at 6:57:46
In reply to Lar, Re: Larry, question re: magnesium, posted by McPac on December 9, 2003, at 20:23:33
> "I think you should stop reading books by quacks. That's what I think".
>
> >>>>>>>> I love it!!! You are TOO COOL Hoovermeister!!! Only how do you (I) KNOW who is a quack and who isn't???I'm glad you took my comment in the light-hearted way it was served up. You know she is quackish already, as you made note of her notoriety. However, if you are in doubt, I would be happy to reveal the readings on my Quackometer(r).
> What I've been trying to determine is if I want to do a body detox/cleansing plan.....you know, first detox the colon, then the liver/gallbladder...that kind of thing........I feel so darned sluggish/lethargic/tired/fatigued....especially SINCE I started taking a bunch of supplements (per Pfeiffer).....some of it may be due to bipolar (the fluctuations in energy levels), some may be due to this crummy sunLESS, dark, Winter season also....That's a powerful influence on some people, like me....
> but I've heard that a sluggish, clogged liver/colon/gallbladder could also contribute to these sluggish, lethargic feelings.....hence, I was trying to determine if a colon/liver cleanse might be worth my while.......
Although some benefits do seem to accrue from these cleansing protocols, it may be no more than a coincidental finding.....most, if not all of these methods also involve fasting....I can assure you that I have thoroughly sought out medical images of what may conceivably be clogged livers, gallbladders, colons, small intestines, large intestines....blah blah.....the images should exist, if it is a real phenomenon, regardless of what you might call it....but there is no confirmatory evidence that I have ever found.
> also, I've heard that many, many people (perhaps even a higher % of psyche patients, like bipolars) could use a body detoxing for Candida/parasites, etc.....
That's a separate issue....just wanna make that clear....but again, you may be seeing coincidental correlation....the treatment of candidiasis involves dietary changes....and you know how much I believe in dietary measures in support of psych treatment...
Parasites.....there's yin and yang, but using a vermifuge probably won't hurt in any case...
> in fact, a while back there was a dude with a website whom I asked you about (he wrote how bipolar was NOT a disease and stressed taking steps like detoxing to kill parasites, etc....you said that you knew the guy and that you had a lot of his info on your computer somewhere....I THINK that Allan might have been his name but I could be wrong about that)
Funny, I don't remember the parasite part....we always discussed nutrients....
> ....anyway, I'm wondering if there would be possible benefits to doing these colon/liver-type cleanses....to clean out backed-up, wastes in the body?
I just don't think the rationale offered (the mental picture of what's happening) is the real explanation for the benefits arising, if any. It's not about toxins, it's about fasting, IMHO.
> I don't know if that is quackery or not? It makes sense that a body, esp. people that eat and drink the kinds of fast "garbage" foods found in American diets today (along with environmental toxins, etc), would have loads of putrafied crap clogged in their systems......
Does it? I eliminate mine, every day.....
> ,what do you think of the idea of colon/liver cleanses Lar? I don't know, when it comes to a lot of these health-related thingys, what is quackery and what isn't. These can be done quite inexpensively, often VERY inexpensively.
I like inexpensive.
> Milk of magnesia.............................but if you chew the tablets (like you're sposed to)....
>
> >>>>>>>>> Lar, you don't mean that all magnesium tablets need to be chewed first do you?My comments were intended to apply solely to the use of milk of magnesia in the treatment of stomach upset.
> I don't recall seeing any of my mag. glycinate directions saying to chew the tablets first.
I'm sorry if my example was seen in that light....it was a specific case, not intended to be generalized to all mag supps.
> Later Hoover...you RULE! (Lar, I remember you saying that you also hated these sunless, dark Winters.....they suck don't they....hope you are well Hoover!!!)
It sucks. Sucky sucky sucks.
Later,
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 10, 2003, at 7:01:06
In reply to Re: Do you really CHEW your magnesium tablets? » Larry Hoover, posted by Ron Hill on December 9, 2003, at 21:13:49
> > Milk of magnesia (magnesium hydroxide), for example, is often supplied as a liquid, but it is not dissolved magnesium.....the milkiness is due to very fine solid particles suspended in water. It's no more absorbable than mag hydroxide tablets. They both need to be dissolved first. The only advantage is that the liquid form already has small particles, but if you chew the tablets (like you're sposed to)....
>
> Kinda hard on the teeth, ain't it? Not to mention the taste! Do you truely advocate chewing Mg tablets or are you just pulling our collective legs?
>
> What about your other vitamins? Do you chew them as well?
>
> Say it ain't so!
>
> -- RonIt ain't so....my example was intended only to disprove the quack's contention.....the case I offered was specific to milk of magnesia, and applies solely to the treatment of dyspepsia.
I don not chew my tablets, with the exception of chewable vitamin C (which I buy if they're cheaper than the swallow ones). I do not chew mag tablets, period. If I use magnesium hydroxide for upset tummy, I chug it out of a bottle of the liquid....
Lar
Posted by Ron Hill on December 10, 2003, at 10:05:44
In reply to Re: Do you really CHEW your magnesium tablets? » Ron Hill, posted by Larry Hoover on December 10, 2003, at 7:01:06
> I do not chew mag tablets, period.
That's a relief! I was NOT looking forward to having to chew my vitamin tablets.
-- Ron
Posted by Ron Hill on December 10, 2003, at 10:08:44
In reply to Ron, Do you really CHEW your magnesium tablets?, posted by McPac on December 9, 2003, at 23:06:46
Posted by McPac on December 10, 2003, at 17:47:20
In reply to Hoover, Re: Larry, question re: magnesium, posted by McPac on December 9, 2003, at 20:43:30
Lar,
Don't know if you saw this earlier post of mine or not....maybe you didn't have anything add'l to add.......I'd love to borrow your trademarked Quack-o-Meter sometime...that would make a great Xmas gift by the way.........it seems like a lot of crap humans ingest might, over many years and due to various physiological reasons, accumulate in the body (the same way that gunk accumulates in air filters?)....is this quackery (below)?...(gotta run now)Posted by McPac on December 9, 2003, at 20:43:30
In reply to Larry, question re: magnesium, posted by McPac on December 7, 2003, at 22:29:49
Lar---somebody sent me this recently, thought I'd post it below for your perusal (I've read a good bit about the Leaky Gut Syndrome before...below is just a bit about cleanses, leaky gut, etc......what do you make of this stuff Lar, i.e. colon/liver cleanses, etc.?)
Owen Richard Pemberton
(Self Help Alternative Program for Enlightenment)An alternative healing program is for those individuals who want to reverse the “Root Cause” of their health problems (an accumulation of environmental chemical and/or internal toxins, with contributing nutrient deficiencies and stress), rather than simply covering-up their symptoms with prescription and/or over-the-counter drugs, while the root cause is still “Eating Away” at their health. A healing program includes 1) going on an elimination diet 2) detoxing your colon, liver and kidneys 3) eradicating any existing candida and/or parasite problems 4) healing your inflamed and leaky gut lining (digestive tract) 5) reestablishing your friendly bacteria 6) taking supplements and herbs to rebuild and strengthen your internal body and 7) learning how to relax, because “Stress” is a co-factor, if not the root cause, of many peoples health problems.
When we experience indigestion, belching, gas, acid reflux, constipation and/or diarrhea, backaches, sinus problems, grinding and clenching the teeth, etc., these are all “Early Warning Signs” telling us that we need to change our diet and start detoxing our elimination organs. If these warning signs are ignored, as most of us do from a lack of knowledge, then health problems are inevitable. There is no disease called “Aging” like doctors would have you to believe and your health problems “Are Not” due to a prescription drug deficiency.
The first thing that I need to enlighten you on, concerning reversing your health problems, is to “Avoid The Dangers” of taking antibiotic and steroid drugs, like Cortisone, Prednisone, and Birth Control Pills, which destroys the lining of your digestive tract and compromises what little immune system you may have left to fight with. These prescription drugs, as well as many over-the-counter drugs, like Advil and Tylenol, will destroy your reserve of Friendly Bacteria, which is an important part of your immune system! Birth Control Pills create hormonal changes that encourage yeast overgrowth problems (candida albican)
It amazes me that every time my wife or I go to a doctor for a general checkup (just to keep a doctor handy in case of an emergency) and they ask, what drugs are you taking? When they hear the answer “None” they look at me with disbelief and immediately try to think of something to write me a prescription for.
Sherry A. Rogers, M.D.
(Anti-Inflammatory Drugs)When pain grabs your attention, your first response may be to “reach for Aleve or Advil” as the TV commercial says. What medicine chest, gym bag or purse doesn’t contain one of these magic pain relievers? And if pain reaches staggering heights, your doctor can then prescribe even stronger variations of the same family of drugs. These include medicines like Motrin (ibuprofen), Naprosyn, Orudis, Indocin, Tolectin, Lodine, Feldene, Clinoril, Anaprox, Toradol, Nalfon, Voltaren, Celebrex, and Vioxx.
All of the above anti-inflammatory drugs do nothing towards restoring function or enable you to find the “Root Cause” of your chronic pain and inflammation, but they do have pretty nasty side effects. They can cause fatal liver and kidney damage, fatal hemorrhage from the bowel, as well as irreparable damage to vision. What is more astounding is that they actually cause bone to deteriorate. And the longer they are taken, the more bone they destroy, with the unsuspecting victim accumulating more osteoporosis and osteopenia. The latest studies shows that Vioxx and Celebrex can cause your Bladder to completely stop working, which requires a trip to the hospital to be catheterized.
Furthermore, NSAIDs have been implicated in promoting and accelerating a multitude of diseases, like heart failure. Over 20% of folks in heart failure have a long history of NSAID use for joint problems. The problem is that inflammation protects the heart from our daily chemical assaults in our air, food and water. If we turn it off, we allow the heart to burn out prematurely, which is exactly what occurs.
One of the worst parts of the NSAIDs, however, is that they can cause the “Leaky Gut Syndrome”. This causes larger spaces to develop between the cells in the gut lining. These larger spaces between cells inhibits the normal function of the gut (digestive tract).
When the normal function of the gut is disrupted and damaged, one of the nasty results is that you no longer absorb the minerals and other nutrients your body needs to completely heal injured areas and regain your health.
For the Leaky Gut does more than initiate arthritis; it can not only perpetuate it, but also initiate any other disease you can think of. For once the gut gets leaky, it can not only cause chemical and food sensitivity, chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia, but auto-immune diseases like lupus, thyroiditis, rheumatoid arthritis, diabetes, myocarditis and multiple sclerosis. And recall that the more you hurt, the more NSAIDs you take; but NSAIDs are one of the principal causes of the leaky gut to begin with…. the very substance that initiated this avalanche of seemingly unrelated symptoms. No wonder the Sick – “Get Sicker”***
I realize, as I hope you now do, that conventional doctors have intentionally lied to us about the health-threatening side effects of taking antibiotics and steroid drugs, which they continue to prescribe like they were candy. These drugs only serve to further stimulate the production of yeast and candida overgrowths. Do you think that doctor’s realize that these prescription drugs only serve to cause us more serious health problems on down the road so they can continue making a profit off the general public by simply treating the over 80 different symptoms that a Candida/Leaky Gut problem can exhibit? I personally think that both the doctors and the pharmaceutical companies fully realize what a “Huge Profit” they can make by keeping us sick and unaware of the health risk that prescription drugs create.
This is a picture of why antibiotic, anti-inflammatory and steroid drugs are responsible for creating a “Vicious Cycle” of over 80 unexplained health problems. We have both Friendly Bacteria and Yeast living in our Colon and it’s the friendly bacteria, which keeps the yeast “In Check” or under control and from moving up and into our Intestinal Tract, where it would cause us all kinds of health problems. However, due to our use of prescription and over-the-counter drugs, along with consuming an unhealthy diet, our friendly bacteria become depleted and once this occurs, the yeast is then allowed to moves up and into our intestinal tract, where it was “NEVER” intended to go. Once the yeast gets into our intestinal tract, it then changes into a fungal form called Candida Albican and grows out of control (fungal overgrowth), which also sets the stage in your intestinal environment for a parasite infestation. Candida is not a disease in itself; it is a condition indicating an internal imbalance. I’ve found that most individuals, who have a Candida problem, also have a parasite problem, due to their consumption of meat products, drinking tap water, handling pets, etc.
After a period of time, this Candida/Parasite problem creates a secondary health problem called “Leaky Gut Syndrome” which causes our stomach lining (digestive tract) to become irritated and inflamed. This inflammation/deterioration eventually causes tiny tears or holes (root like projections) to penetrate/breach the surface of our stomach lining, which then allows toxins from our ingested foods and beverages to pass or leak (leaky gut) through and into our bloodstream. This destructive process creates health problems like autoimmune diseases (arthritis, lupus, MS, etc.) and all kinds of allergy reactions to food, beverages, etc., which we were once able to consume without experiencing any negative side affects, like rashes, hives, rosacea, etc. A Leaky Gut is also the cause of depression, memory loss, and confusion problems. If this leaky gut problem is left untreated, more serious health problems will start to develop, like MCS (multiple chemical sensitivity), which is the next step in the leaky gut process.
Sherry A. Rogers, M.D.
(Leaky Gut Syndrome)By now it should not surprise you to realize that if the colon and/or the gut is not healthy then the rest of the body cannot be. For this is where all food and healing nutrients are absorbed. Furthermore, if the gut becomes damaged or leaky, then it allows bacteria problems of putrefaction and toxins to get into the bloodstream (autointoxification). These not only make people achy with inflamed tissue and tender trigger points (fibromyalgia), but also tired and depressed.
So in addition to new food, chemical allergies and autoimmune diseases, the leaky gut victim may develop mineral and vitamin deficiencies, even in spite of taking adequate levels of supplements. He would be lucky to get away with only a symptom or two, for nutrient deficiencies are at the beginning of all diseases!
Now you can begin to appreciate another mechanism for how the Sick – Get Sicker when the “Root Cause” of symptoms is merely “Masked” by drugs and not looked for. For if the leaky gut is chalked up to “irritable bowel disease” or “spastic colon” or “nervous colon” as it often is, the victim is on the fast road to further illnesses.
So what do people who have arthritis, chronic fatigue, chemical sensitivity, headaches, depression, confusion (brain fog), chronic sinusitis or asthma, irritable bowel, chronic pain, etc., all have in common? They usually go to various specialists, few of whom will ever test for leaky or hyper permeable gut. Instead they prescribe more drugs to cover-up or mask symptoms, drugs that can cause or worsen the leaky gut. Always remember, regardless of the “Label” of your problem, if the gut is not healthy, you will never reverse your health problems, until you first heal your leaky gut problem***
Our world is on the verge, of an epidemic of women giving birth to babies that are born with infections and other unexplained health problems. Without realizing it, many expecting mothers are infected with a candida/leaky gut problem, due to their previous use of antibiotic and steroid drugs. Therefore, many babies are infected with these same health problems at birth, due to their immature immune system and are plagued with health problems, like earaches and allergic reactions to milk and foods, as well as many other unexplained health problems. However, you will notice that mothers, who have had a C-Section performed, seem to give birth to healthier babies.
Professor Steven Rochlitz
(Candida Overgrowth in expecting mothers)Through research I have hypothesized that acetaidehyde (a dangerous form of alcohol) which Candida Overgrowth creates in an unsuspecting mother, is able to cross the placental barnier and affect the fetus brain resulting in corpus callosum anomalies by blocking acetylcholine receptors therein and resulting in dyslexia, ADD, ADHD, as well as other unexplained health problems.
Another relatively recent health problem that’s occurring in our western civilized world by collusion between orthodox, medical physicians and the drug industry in order to sell the scientific-sounding “Baby Formulas” is the lack of “Breast Feeding”. This practice leads to nutrient deficiencies and lack of protective antibodies (weakened immune system), which also sits-up the stage for parasite and candida infections that lead to intestinal permeability problems in infants.
The absence of, or an insufficiently lengthy breast –feeding process, which builds protective antibodies (at least 6 to 9 months) will lead to a lifetime of susceptibility to protozoan parasitosis and its subsequent permeability and subsequent candidiasis, viral syndromes, allergic disorders, etc***
I’ve heard many complaints and negative reactions from individuals, who have tried reversing their health problems the alternative way, without receiving the positive results that they were looking for. There are three reasons for this disappointment 1) they fail to “First” perform the internal detoxification of their elimination organs 2) they don’t follow or understand the importance of going on an elimination diet and 3) instead of approaching their healing program in a “Chronological Order” they go at it in a haphazard way of taking this or that supplement, which is like putting The Cart before The Horse. It simply will not work.
Another stumbling block is the “Time Frame” that it takes to reverse a serious health problem the alternative way. It has taken you years of abusing your internal body by consuming an unhealthy diet and taking antibiotic and steroid drugs, which has started a very slow destructive process of bacteria, fungus, parasite and leaky gut problems, along with the accumulation of a toxic waste build-up in your colon and liver, to finally cause your internal body to end-up in the diseased state that it’s presently in.
It personally took me over four years of research and trial and error, before I was able to develop a healing program that was capable of reversed the following life threatening health problems that I was suffering with; Crippling Rheumatoid Arthritis – M.S. – Systemic Candida Albican – a Severe Leaky Gut problem – Stress /TMJ (bracing) and a extremely congested Liver and Gallbladder problem, which alone was responsible (the root cause) for 24 symptoms that I was experiencing. However, with this knowledge that I’m relating to you, you should be able to cut this time frame in half, depending on your determination and the seriousness of your health problems.
Through experience, I’ve found that you shouldn’t put too much faith in Lab Tests because even if the test results are accurate (they usually aren’t) conventional, as well as many alternative doctors, have no idea of what to do to correct or reverse the negative symptoms of your test results; therefore, what good are they? I would instead suggest, that you simply consider the “Possibility” that you are indeed experiencing all of the following health problems and take all of the “Preventative Steps” needed to cover all the bases, thereby eliminating any possibility of excluding important steps in your healing program. This way, you will be spending your hard-earned money and time on supplements to detox and rebuild your internal body that are capable of increasing the quality of your life!
What conventional doctors consider as being diseases, like arthritis, fibromyalgia, lupus, MS, asthma, cancer, cardiovascular problems, etc., are really just “Symptoms” of an accumulation of toxins in the bloodstream, brought on by a progressively impaired Liver.
Cancer and AID’s are not a diseases in themselves but rather an accumulation of the following health problems; a toxic colon – a systemic candida and/or parasite overgrowth – a weakened and congested liver – nutrient deficiencies and to much stress in your life. It’s no wonder that most of these victims never regain their health, due to the multiple health problems, which has lead to their deteriorating health status.
If you have life threatening Cancer or AIDS, the following supplements and treatments are a must if you want to reverse these life threatening health problems: Dr. Schulze’s “Blood D-Tox Formula” – Livatone Plus - Digestive Enzymes taken between meals – Garlic – Chapprell - Green Tea - MGN-3 - Vitamin B-17 (apricot seeds) - liquid Potassium - Pau D’ arco - IP-6 with Inosital. You would also want to follow a “Macrobiolic Diet” and be sure to massage your sore/tender Lymph’s everyday.
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 12, 2003, at 9:54:13
In reply to Hoover, Re: Larry, question re: magnesium, posted by McPac on December 10, 2003, at 17:47:20
> Lar,
> Don't know if you saw this earlier post of mine or not....maybe you didn't have anything add'l to add.......I'd love to borrow your trademarked Quack-o-Meter sometime...that would make a great Xmas gift by the way.........it seems like a lot of crap humans ingest might, over many years and due to various physiological reasons, accumulate in the body (the same way that gunk accumulates in air filters?)....is this quackery (below)?...(gotta run now)
>
> Posted by McPac on December 9, 2003, at 20:43:30The Quackometer ™ is a quacking, dude. Sorry about the dudette error, by the way.
You don't accumulate stuff in your body, with the exception of heavy metals. I don't believe that any perceived health benefits of detoxing/liver cleansing/whatever are due to toxins or cleansing thereof. If you feel better after doing so, fine and dandy, but it wasn't ever about toxins, IMHO.
Lar
Posted by McPac on December 12, 2003, at 23:04:19
In reply to Re: toxins/liver cleanse » McPac, posted by Larry Hoover on December 12, 2003, at 9:54:13
"The Quackometer ™ is a quacking, dude. Sorry about the dudette error, by the way."
>>>>>>>>>>> Lar, I'm only a woman come Saturday nights! The other 6 days of the week I wear my customary drab male attire! lol.
"You don't accumulate stuff in your body, with the exception of heavy metals. I don't believe that any perceived health benefits of detoxing/liver cleansing/whatever are due to toxins or cleansing thereof. If you feel better after doing so, fine and dandy, but it wasn't ever about toxins, IMHO."
Lar, question about antibiotics (is this quackery??)--- many of the natural doctors say that taking antibiotics kills the "good" intestinal flora along with the "bad" flora, which then leaves the person with a greater risk of developing other health problems since conditions are then 'ripe' for nasty health problems to promulgate (like Candida, Leaky Gut Syndrome, etc)....many people then will be VERY reluctant to use antibiotics...should people be VERY leery of using antibiotics and is this concern over killing of "good" flora legitamate? Oh, lastly do you believe in the Leaky Gut Syndrome theory? Later Hoover!!!
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 13, 2003, at 8:54:31
In reply to Lar, Re: toxins/liver cleanse, posted by McPac on December 12, 2003, at 23:04:19
> "The Quackometer ™ is a quacking, dude. Sorry about the dudette error, by the way."
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Lar, I'm only a woman come Saturday nights! The other 6 days of the week I wear my customary drab male attire! lol.Too much information, dude. ;-)
> "You don't accumulate stuff in your body, with the exception of heavy metals. I don't believe that any perceived health benefits of detoxing/liver cleansing/whatever are due to toxins or cleansing thereof. If you feel better after doing so, fine and dandy, but it wasn't ever about toxins, IMHO."
>
> Lar, question about antibiotics (is this quackery??)--- many of the natural doctors say that taking antibiotics kills the "good" intestinal flora along with the "bad" flora, which then leaves the person with a greater risk of developing other health problems since conditions are then 'ripe' for nasty health problems to promulgate (like Candida, Leaky Gut Syndrome, etc)....Yes, that happens, and quite often, IMHO.
> many people then will be VERY reluctant to use antibiotics...
They shouldn't be reluctant to use antibiotics, they should be reluctant to misuse them. They have a place in medical care, but ought not to be prescribed and used willy-nilly, for the microbiological equivalent of a hang-nail.
> should people be VERY leery of using antibiotics and is this concern over killing of "good" flora legitamate? Oh, lastly do you believe in the Leaky Gut Syndrome theory? Later Hoover!!!
Absolutely, I believe that disruptions in the species and population of intestinal critters leads to adverse health effects....and I believe leaky gut is a real problem....fixing it is harder than identifying the problem.... probiotics help, but don't help everybody, and I don't quite understand why.
This was just published this week, but it's a poor translation from the original Russian:
Eksp Klin Gastroenterol. 2003;(4):59-67, 115.[In Process Citation]
[Article in Russian]
[No authors listed]
Central Scientific Research Institute of Gastroenterology, Moscow.
This research is a continuation of the series of studies of the parietal microbiota of the bowel tissue samplings by the gas chromatography and mass spectrometry (GCMS) method [G.A. Ossipov et al.//Journal of the Society of Russian Gastroenterologists, 2001, 1:54-69]. The purpose was to study a number of new microorganisms in view of new data on the composition of their fatty acids (FA) and aldehydes; to confirm the presence of a number of bacteria, fungi and aerobic actinomycetes revealed earlier by FA markers in the composition of the bowel parietal microbiota by their isolation in a pure culture; to amend the estimation of the clinical value of changes in the composition of the human bowel parietal microflora in case of irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) and antibiotics-associated diarrhea (AAD). We examined 31 patients with IBS with predominating diarrhea, 18 patients with AAD and 3 volunteers (a control group). We studied the blood samples, tissue samplings of the mucous coat of the jejunum, ileum and colon and composition of healthy people's feces. The GCMS method was applied. Morphology of defined strains was controlled by methods of light and scanning electron microscopy. We found a substantial portion of eubacteria among the bowel microorganisms and specific changes of their species in case of IBS and AAD. Taking into account their physiological and biochemical activity, when regulating their concentration one can expect at least the same effect as when regulating the number of bifidobacteria and lactobacilli in treatment of intestinal pathologies and other diseases related to bowel dysbacteriosis. The analysis of the feces microbiota using the GCMS method by FA of parietal microorganisms provides reliable data on their number both in feces and in tissue samplings. We found a substantial portion of eubacteria among other bowel microorganisms (27% in the jejunum and 16% in the colon) and specific changes of their species in case of IBS and AAD. The concentration of streptomycetes, rhodococci and other members of the Actinomycetales order becomes dozens times more and/or reduces in pathological states. The tenfold concentration of markers of lactobacilli and bifidobacteria in some diseases stimulates the differentiated application of widespread probiotics based on these bacteria.
Posted by stjames on December 14, 2003, at 11:09:27
In reply to Lar, Re: toxins/liver cleanse, posted by McPac on December 12, 2003, at 23:04:19
many of the natural doctors say that taking antibiotics kills the "good" intestinal flora along with the "bad" flora,
I have always taken lactobacillis to counter this, while on antibiotics.
Posted by McPac on December 15, 2003, at 22:33:04
In reply to Re: Lar, Re: toxins/liver cleanse, posted by stjames on December 14, 2003, at 11:09:27
"I have always taken lactobacillis to counter this, while on antibiotics".
>>>>>>>>>>> STJ, I've read that it would be a waste of time (and money) and do no good to take a probiotic while on antibiotics (I've read that on Eby's site for one).....are you sure that it is worthwhile to take lactobacillis while on an antibiotic? Or is it best to take it AFTER getting off of the antibiotic? Thanks!!!
Posted by stjames on December 17, 2003, at 13:55:11
In reply to STJ, Re: Lar, Re: toxins/liver cleanse, posted by McPac on December 15, 2003, at 22:33:04
> >>>>>>>>>>> STJ, I've read that it would be a waste of time (and money) and do no good to take a probiotic while on antibioticsI don't find that. Lots of antibiotics, always
with lactobacillis. It is the only way I don't
get significant GI upset on them.
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