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Posted by platinumbride on May 27, 2004, at 12:05:16
I have been posting about this new combo I have been prescribed on psychobabble......
I am wondering if anyone here might have some ideas about the phenylalanine...
I take 500 mgs first thing in the morning on an empty stomach along with 5 mgs of selegiline, and I keep expecting to feel a little bit of motivation and energy, but I do not.
Is this going to take a few weeks or should I feel it right away?
My doc said I could go as high as 10 mgs of the Selegiline and 1500 of the Phenylalanine. Should I kick up the Phen. dose now or give it a little time? I know I am being a bit impatient, but I am tired of all the long trials with meds and no improvement....
FWIW, I am BP 2, and anxiety is an issue for me...
I also am the type that tends to need higher doses of things for them to work...But I don't want to get into any paralyzing anxiety from too much phenylalanine.Thanks,
Diane
Posted by linkadge on May 27, 2004, at 15:26:14
In reply to l-phenylaline and selegiline, posted by platinumbride on May 27, 2004, at 12:05:16
stick with it. Selegeline needs time to lower the MAO-B enzyme, and PEA needs time to raise.
Give it at least 2 weeks on the high dose.
Linkadge
Posted by platinumbride on May 27, 2004, at 16:11:40
In reply to Re: l-phenylaline and selegiline, posted by linkadge on May 27, 2004, at 15:26:14
Posted by Chairman_MAO on May 28, 2004, at 11:45:30
In reply to l-phenylaline and selegiline, posted by platinumbride on May 27, 2004, at 12:05:16
If you are BP, watch out with the selegiline + precursors.
That said, I'd be willing to bet money you'd get a more powerful mood lift from selegiline + phenethylamine. Once, back when I had a good doctor and took selegiline, I ingested a large amount of cacao powder and got a distinct, powerful amphetamine-like mood lift lasting about 4 hours. You can get phenethylamine from a standardized cacao extract @
https://www2.acadia.net/cgi-bin/BAC/web_store.cgi?product=New&cart_id=14648_672
NEW! CHOCAMINE(tm) is a cocoa extract that has the taste, aroma, and health benefits of unsweetened bitter chocolate standardized to the stimulating, thermogenic, mood & performance enhancing ingredients including 12% theobromine, 8% caffeine, theophyline & PEA. Promotes energy, fat burning, suppresses appetite, improves performance, and is a sexual stimulant - especially for women. Many users report an euphoric feeling. It was an instant hit here at BAC. A recent study showed theobromine to be an effective cough suppressant. Dose is 500-1000mg (1/4-1/2tsp) 1-3x/day taken plain in water, sweetened with stevia or xylitol, with coffee for hi-powered mocha, or any way you can use chocolate. Chocamine(tm) is a trademark of New World Enterprises, Inc. 100 grams, $12.00 Code 880.0
With selegiline that stuff will be POTENT, trust me. If raw cacao powder was that powerful with me, I could only imagine what a standardized extract would be like.
I do not work for BAC. They're just a company everyone knows to be reliable and fairly priced.
Posted by platinumbride on May 28, 2004, at 22:30:19
In reply to Re: l-phenylaline and selegiline » platinumbride, posted by Chairman_MAO on May 28, 2004, at 11:45:30
Thanks for that tip. I may just ry that AFTER I finish the rather expensive phenylaline i just bought ;-0
When you say amphetamine-like, do you mean jumpy and nervous?
I take trileptal as a mood stablizer, even though I don't really think it works, but it should keep my out of hypomania. If not, we go to lithium or try zonegran.
Oh, and what are precursors of seleg? Do you mean like other maoi drugs?
Thanks so much......I am really blwon away by the kindness and good intentions of so many with knowledge about this stuff here......
Diane> If you are BP, watch out with the selegiline + precursors.
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> That said, I'd be willing to bet money you'd get a more powerful mood lift from selegiline + phenethylamine. Once, back when I had a good doctor and took selegiline, I ingested a large amount of cacao powder and got a distinct, powerful amphetamine-like mood lift lasting about 4 hours. You can get phenethylamine from a standardized cacao extract @
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> https://www2.acadia.net/cgi-bin/BAC/web_store.cgi?product=New&cart_id=14648_672
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> NEW! CHOCAMINE(tm) is a cocoa extract that has the taste, aroma, and health benefits of unsweetened bitter chocolate standardized to the stimulating, thermogenic, mood & performance enhancing ingredients including 12% theobromine, 8% caffeine, theophyline & PEA. Promotes energy, fat burning, suppresses appetite, improves performance, and is a sexual stimulant - especially for women. Many users report an euphoric feeling. It was an instant hit here at BAC. A recent study showed theobromine to be an effective cough suppressant. Dose is 500-1000mg (1/4-1/2tsp) 1-3x/day taken plain in water, sweetened with stevia or xylitol, with coffee for hi-powered mocha, or any way you can use chocolate. Chocamine(tm) is a trademark of New World Enterprises, Inc. 100 grams, $12.00 Code 880.0
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> With selegiline that stuff will be POTENT, trust me. If raw cacao powder was that powerful with me, I could only imagine what a standardized extract would be like.
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> I do not work for BAC. They're just a company everyone knows to be reliable and fairly priced.
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Posted by germanium20 on May 29, 2004, at 8:35:36
In reply to Re: l-phenylaline and selegiline » platinumbride, posted by Chairman_MAO on May 28, 2004, at 11:45:30
For me hot chocolate with selegiline is a huge over the top boost as it makes it hard to sleep if I drink even 1 cup a day & forget it if I drink 2 as I won't get much sleep for 2 days then. I'm afraid that Cocoa extract would be to much for me. yes selegiline blocks the breakdown of phenylethylamine very very effectively so watch how much of it you take in as a small amount goes a very long ways.
Posted by platinumbride on May 30, 2004, at 11:40:22
In reply to Re: l-phenylaline and selegiline, posted by germanium20 on May 29, 2004, at 8:35:36
Are you speaking of powdered chocolate with water or the bitter chocolate that you break off and boil in water?
My family is Latin American and that is how my stepmother makes hot choclate.
She also has mentioned to me that when she lived on a farm in Colombia, they used to chew cacao...So is this the kind of hot chocolate I would want to be making?
I should mention that I am "stimulated enough after some 5 days or so that I cannot fall asleep. I can take 6 mgs of klonopin and a ton of neurontin but can't fall asleep!
I bet seroquel is back in the picture for me..........I hate that f----g drug.
Anyway, what kind of hot chocolate are you referring to? Are you very sensitive to meds to begin with?
Merci, merci ;-)
> For me hot chocolate with selegiline is a huge over the top boost as it makes it hard to sleep if I drink even 1 cup a day & forget it if I drink 2 as I won't get much sleep for 2 days then. I'm afraid that Cocoa extract would be to much for me. yes selegiline blocks the breakdown of phenylethylamine very very effectively so watch how much of it you take in as a small amount goes a very long ways.
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