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Posted by Buckeye Fan on September 10, 2004, at 7:51:44
Hi all,
I was just wondering what the best non-prescription anti-depressant/anti-anxiety supplements anyone has tried?I read that something called ANXIETOL 7 is rated number one by Readers Digest, as the best Natural Supplement for anxiety/depression.
http://store.medabiotics.com/anxietol7.html?gtse=goog>kw=anxietol%207
I thought could handle things Med-Free....but am really struggling.
Also....not to be picky, but money is a little tight right now, so before I spend the money on this...if someone who is thinking clearer than I could tell me something that is the same, but cheaper..I will try it.
If not..I will try this stuff, at the retail price.
I am getting to the point of REALLY needing helpThanks
BF
Posted by Larry Hoover on September 10, 2004, at 10:27:44
In reply to First Time Med Free in Years...Need Help, posted by Buckeye Fan on September 10, 2004, at 7:51:44
> Hi all,
> I was just wondering what the best non-prescription anti-depressant/anti-anxiety supplements anyone has tried?
>
> I read that something called ANXIETOL 7 is rated number one by Readers Digest, as the best Natural Supplement for anxiety/depression.
>
> http://store.medabiotics.com/anxietol7.html?gtse=goog>kw=anxietol%207
>
> I thought could handle things Med-Free....but am really struggling.
>
> Also....not to be picky, but money is a little tight right now, so before I spend the money on this...if someone who is thinking clearer than I could tell me something that is the same, but cheaper..I will try it.
> If not..I will try this stuff, at the retail price.
> I am getting to the point of REALLY needing help
>
> Thanks
> BFI can't assess what's in it. They don't say what Sensoril is, for example, and calling e.g Griffonia extract (natural source of 5-HTP) Serotain (or do they?) is needlessly deceptive. See: http://store.medabiotics.com/anxietolinfo.html
You could easily pick up the ingredients separately, and much cheaper, at Walmart (all but the vinpocetine).
Moreover, the doses they supply are not as high as they might be. Furthermore, they only supply three of the B-vitamins, which are better taken in combination with all the B's (as B-complex).
If you want to save some money, and still give something like this a try, go to Walmart, and get the following:
B-100
Folic acid, 1 mg
B-12, 1,000 mcg
Vitamin C 1,000 mg
5-HTP, 50 mg
tyrosine, 500 mg
magnesium citrate, 100 mg (not oxide, anything else will do)
zinc 25-50 mg (whatever dose they have in that range)
selenium, 200 mcg
fish oil, 1,000 mg
vitamin D, 400 IU
vitamin E, 400 IU (whatever type is cheapest)
l-theanine (I think they might have this) 100 mg (optional)
Siberian ginseng (I prefer it to Panax) (whatever dose they have, I forget)Morning, on arising, tyrosine, 2-4 tablets/caplets
Morning, with food, B-100 (1 tab), folic acid, B-12, vitamin C (1 tab), zinc, selenium, magnesium (1 tab), vitamin D, vitamin E, ginseng (as per label).
Lunch, with food, magnesium, vitamin C.
Dinner, with food, B-100, selenium, vitamin C.
Bedtime, 5-HTP (2-4 tabs), magnesium (3 tabs).
General notes: the magnesium might induce diarrhea, especially the triple dose. If so, reduce intake to whatever doesn't give you loose stools, and try increasing again after two weeks.
The fish oil should be taken with food, whenever you are otherwise taking in a fair bit of fats. So, with your largest meal, preferably fattiest meal. Target is no less than 5 caps a day, but split it up or take at once, whatever works/is tolerated. Just take it with food, and one vitamin E.
If at any time you feel particularly anxious, two supplements seem to have good efficacy. Those are niacinamide (500 mg, as needed, up to four times a day). And, taurine (1,000-2,000 mg).
This sounds like a lot of pills, and it is, but according to your description of symptoms, and your sense of need, you need to jump in with both feet.
More questions are welcomed. Go ahead and ask.
Lar
Posted by Buckeye Fan on September 10, 2004, at 10:43:38
In reply to Re: First Time Med Free in Years...Need Help » Buckeye Fan, posted by Larry Hoover on September 10, 2004, at 10:27:44
Thanks for the response Larry.
I will print out your posted ingredients and work on it.Also...isnt Liquid Form of Supplements better assimilated by the Body than pills?
Just curious if I should go the liquid route....I
have heard only a small percentage of the benefits of Mutivitaman Suppliments actually make it into the system, unless taken in Liquid Form.
If so....why do they still make Vitamens and Minerals in pill form?Hard to seperate the truth from the rumors.
I still dont know why we bother swallowing any
med anyways...Ive read that dissolving under the tongue is faster, quicker and more efficient.
True? Any exceptions?Are you sorry you said :more questions are welcomed"?...lolo!
BF
Posted by joebob on September 10, 2004, at 11:29:41
In reply to Re: First Time Med Free in Years...Need Help, posted by Buckeye Fan on September 10, 2004, at 10:43:38
the tabs....seems to work better and easier to adjust dosage
Posted by Patient on September 10, 2004, at 23:16:05
In reply to First Time Med Free in Years...Need Help, posted by Buckeye Fan on September 10, 2004, at 7:51:44
Hi fan of the Buckeyes,
I only know buckeyes from our native red buckeyes that are the earliest blooming shrub in our neck of the woods......
First time med free-my hat is off to you, proud of what you have done! For many going off of meds. withdrawal can be a big problem. It was for me whenever I went of of one of the SSRI's.
The only supplement that gave me problems was ginseng, though don't remember what form, but it would make me on edge. It probably had something to do with undiagnosed hypoglycemia which ginseng can often can make worse.
I found St. John's Wort a great help, as well as 5-HTP and L-glutamine when I wasn't taking meds. Magnesium, or a combo of calcium, magnesium, vit. D, taken at bedtime, was helfpul for sleep, as well as sublingual vit. B 12 and a small amount of melatonin (0.75mg).
It can be a rough road going off of meds. due to withdrawal symptoms, but the road can be made smoother with certain supplements. I also found the herbs: hops, skullcap, valerian root, kava kava, and mullien very helpful at bedtime for a good night's sleep.
I also found nutritional yeast and kelp helpful; the amino acids these contain are very important for healthy brain function, as well as their quality source of minerals and trace elements.
Besides supplements, exercise is important as well as stress reduction, and the best way I found for stress reduction was through cognitive therapy. An important book to read at retraining your "internal dialogue" can be found in the book, "Feeling Good". The tips are so simple that anyone can understand and follow. I highly recommend it!
I was curious what you were taking medicine-wise and how long you were taking them?
Take care, Lisa
Posted by Larry Hoover on September 11, 2004, at 15:57:07
In reply to Re: First Time Med Free in Years...Need Help, posted by Buckeye Fan on September 10, 2004, at 10:43:38
> Thanks for the response Larry.
> I will print out your posted ingredients and work on it.
>
> Also...isnt Liquid Form of Supplements better assimilated by the Body than pills?
> Just curious if I should go the liquid route....I
> have heard only a small percentage of the benefits of Mutivitaman Suppliments actually make it into the system, unless taken in Liquid Form.
> If so....why do they still make Vitamens and Minerals in pill form?You've already answered your own question, in part.
All vitamins and minerals have to be dissolved before they can be absorbed from the gut. That's what one of your stomach's main jobs is, to mash and dissolve food.
Vitamin pills are composed of the nutrients and binders. The latter are the components that make it a pill, rather than a powder. The binders are selected to be sensitive to the stomach environment. It's not too likely that a pill will pass through you in your stool.
I suspect what you're thinking about is the myth that vitamin pills lead straight to having expensive urine. It's the step that's just before the urine that's the important one.
When a nutrient crosses the stomach or intestinal wall, it is quickly transported into the blood. It goes straight from the gut to the liver, and then on into general circulation.
All of your tissues and organs use blood for two main purposes (ignoring immune response, and clotting,etc.), the supply of raw materials, and the elimination of waste. Your tissues and organs can get access to a nutrient if, and only if, it is in your blood.
Your kidneys are set up something like molecular sieves. They keep whole cells from leaking out, but they let soluble stuff past. Water and sugar, and some other special chemicals are retrieved from the waste stream, but your kidneys do not really differentiate much between nutrients and waste. If your other organs are exposed to a nutrient, so are you kidneys. Yes, your urine can eventually contain a good bit of your vitamin pills, but during the time your kidneys are doing their thing, all your tissues are taking up all they can handle.
Your urine staining yellow from vitamin pills (riboflavin, B2, does that) is proof it, and presumably the other nutrients, were in your blood. You can't do better than that.
> Hard to seperate the truth from the rumors.
> I still dont know why we bother swallowing any
> med anyways...Ive read that dissolving under the tongue is faster, quicker and more efficient.
> True? Any exceptions?Lots of exceptions. In fact, sublingual meds are the exception. You generally don't want most meds to be absorbed in a hurry like that. Moreover, stuff that gets in through your oral membranes is already part of the blood circulating in your head. It hasn't been "checked over" by your liver. It hasn't been diluted by the volume of your whole body.
Your digestive tract is properly equipped to do the job.
> Are you sorry you said :more questions are welcomed"?...lolo!
>
> BFNope. More questions are welcome. You'll come to see that I mean it.
Lar
Posted by Buckeye Fan on September 11, 2004, at 19:50:08
In reply to Re: First Time Med Free in Years...Need Help, posted by Patient on September 10, 2004, at 23:16:05
Besides supplements, exercise is important as well as stress reduction, and the best way I found for stress reduction was through cognitive therapy. An important book to read at retraining your "internal dialogue" can be found in the book, "Feeling Good". The tips are so simple that anyone can understand and follow. I highly recommend it!
I was curious what you were taking medicine-wise and how long you were taking them?
Take care, Lisa
*****************************************Thanks for the advice Lisa. In 2000
I was prescribed Zoloft first... and then I switched to Effexor Xr about 2 years ago.
Since the End of May I have taken nethier.BF
Posted by Buckeye Fan on September 11, 2004, at 19:53:09
In reply to Re: First Time Med Free in Years...Need Help » Buckeye Fan, posted by Larry Hoover on September 11, 2004, at 15:57:07
Thanks Larry...
It makes sense.
Funny how depression clouds your thinking, and you forget basic concepts you learned long ago.I appreciate the refresher.
BF
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