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Posted by Maximus on May 12, 2005, at 8:45:42
OXFORD, UNITED KINGDOM. Animal studies have shown that an increase in fat intake can decrease the number of natural killer (NK) cells found in the blood and spleen. NK cells are an integral part of the natural immune response to virus infections and certain types of cancer. Researchers at Oxford University now report that FISH OIL significantly decreases NK cell activity in healthy human subjects.
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Now, knowing that depressed/anxious people have in general a "weaker" immune system to begin with, is it not counterproductive to supplement ourselves with Fish Oil? Is it not the trade-off too high?My mood is sensibly better when i take Fish Oil. However i can confirm you that i'm a lot more susceptible to get a cold (or any bacterial infections) during the winter. Moreover my seasonal allergies are far worse with Fish Oil.
Am i on something here? Comments?
Posted by linkadge on May 12, 2005, at 21:32:14
In reply to EPA bad for the immune system!, posted by Maximus on May 12, 2005, at 8:45:42
I was under the impression that the immune system was overactive in depression.
http://biopsychiatry.com/immunesystem/index.html
I think it has to do with elevation of certain interleukens. I am confused too.
Linkadge
Posted by Maximus on May 13, 2005, at 8:31:25
In reply to Re: EPA bad for the immune system!, posted by linkadge on May 12, 2005, at 21:32:14
> I was under the impression that the immune system was overactive in depression.
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> http://biopsychiatry.com/immunesystem/index.htmlIndeed, a very good link. I think, an others may also correct me, that the "stimulators" of the immune system are overactive, but the immune system itself is depressed. An important nuance.
Yes i admit, i have begun SJW last week in addition of my medication. I feel more healthy and less apathic. The changement is subtle but real and constant. I just hope this is not a placebo effect :-/
Another link here:
""http://www.sdearthtimes.com/et1197/et1197s6.html"""St. John's Wort is a specific herb for depression and mental burnout. It also helps raise immune response, which can be lowered by stress or depression. [...] St. John's Wort may also act on the cortical system by inhibiting the cytokine interleukin-6 and other cyto-kines excreted by cells of the immune system. Cytokines affect the nervous system both directly and indirectly."
Keep my fingers crossed
Posted by lotus on May 13, 2005, at 13:28:46
In reply to Re: St John's Wort to the rescue » linkadge, posted by Maximus on May 13, 2005, at 8:31:25
Has anyone here ever found SJW useful for moderate to severe anxiety,like ocd,or social anxiety,or are meds the only ones that will work.I've always had mild depression with alot of anxiety and found SJW useful for the depression but not the anxiety.
Posted by linkadge on May 13, 2005, at 20:10:20
In reply to Re: St John's Wort to the rescue, posted by lotus on May 13, 2005, at 13:28:46
Posted by Maximus on May 14, 2005, at 0:19:19
In reply to What else are you taking maximus ?? (nm), posted by linkadge on May 13, 2005, at 20:10:20
- Effexor XR 150 mg
- Lamictal 200 mg ->should not taken it with SJW, but it works.
- Risperdal 0.5 mg -> As needed
- Evening primrose oil (GLA)500 mg. My secret weapon against Chronique Fatigue Syndrome.Bye.
Posted by linkadge on May 14, 2005, at 3:00:32
In reply to Re: What else are you taking maximus ?? » linkadge, posted by Maximus on May 14, 2005, at 0:19:19
Be sure you know the symptoms of serotonin syndrome. That snuck up on me slowly when I combined zoloft and SJW.
Linkadge
Posted by Declan on May 14, 2005, at 18:18:51
In reply to Re: St John's Wort to the rescue, posted by lotus on May 13, 2005, at 13:28:46
I thought SJW was OK but I got the sunburn effect. Now if I could get some hyperforin, is it, that's thought to be the active thing in it. Maybe the hypericin gives you the sunburn reaction. Better for anxiety than depression, for me.
Declan
Posted by linkadge on May 14, 2005, at 21:08:15
In reply to Re: St John's Wort to the rescue, posted by Declan on May 14, 2005, at 18:18:51
I heard there was talk of a synthetic hyperforin
derivative coming onto the market ?Linakdge
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 15, 2005, at 12:27:37
In reply to EPA bad for the immune system!, posted by Maximus on May 12, 2005, at 8:45:42
> OXFORD, UNITED KINGDOM. Animal studies have shown that an increase in fat intake can decrease the number of natural killer (NK) cells found in the blood and spleen. NK cells are an integral part of the natural immune response to virus infections and certain types of cancer. Researchers at Oxford University now report that FISH OIL significantly decreases NK cell activity in healthy human subjects.
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> Now, knowing that depressed/anxious people have in general a "weaker" immune system to begin with, is it not counterproductive to supplement ourselves with Fish Oil? Is it not the trade-off too high?
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> My mood is sensibly better when i take Fish Oil. However i can confirm you that i'm a lot more susceptible to get a cold (or any bacterial infections) during the winter. Moreover my seasonal allergies are far worse with Fish Oil.
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> Am i on something here? Comments?I think it's a mistake to look at a single effect in isolation. Your mood is better. EPA downregulates the arichidonic acid inflammatory cascade. Which is more important? Should you assign them an importance?
I would argue about the normality of the "normal" people in that reference you opened with. "Normal" people today get 60 times the omega-6 fatty acids that they've evolved to consume. Who is to say that those subjects in the fish oil study weren't having their immune response *restored* to normal by the fish oil?
With respect to your response to allergens, make sure you're getting enough vitamin B3, in the form of niacinamide. And zinc and magnesium. Enada NADH really controlled my inhalant allergies during pollen season, two years ago. NADH is a derivative of niacinamide.
Best,
Lar
Posted by Maximus on May 15, 2005, at 14:24:20
In reply to Re: EPA bad for the immune system! » Maximus, posted by Larry Hoover on May 15, 2005, at 12:27:37
> With respect to your response to allergens, make sure you're getting enough vitamin B3, in the form of niacinamide. And zinc and magnesium. Enada NADH really controlled my inhalant allergies during pollen season, two years ago. NADH is a derivative of niacinamide.
Thanks Larry for the tips, i will try.
Posted by linkadge on May 15, 2005, at 15:22:29
In reply to Re: EPA bad for the immune system! » Larry Hoover, posted by Maximus on May 15, 2005, at 14:24:20
Don't some mood stabalizers also lower Archonid acid ??
Linkadge
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